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10-04-2013 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel
You're wrong about me reddboiler. Can't say you've said anything that makes a lot of sense either feels like you just really want it to be true.
No reasons why I'm wrong, I'm just wrong because PBAL says so? Is this also a Mets thing where when people proclaim them to be true in WW, they are just true and there is no disputing it? LOL
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10-04-2013 , 06:40 PM
what do you think is fishy about me calling pbal wolfy on pg 1 and then having well named call him wolfy for very similar reasons. Then me leaving my vote on him for the majority of the day and having him in the bottom part of my wolf list? Are you trying to tone read us?

Did you read any of my prior wolf games?

You can't put this all on me if you're going to use intangible reads that you don't have the experience to make (the experience with both of my games in long games)
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10-04-2013 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
what do you think is fishy about me calling pbal wolfy on pg 1 and then having well named call him wolfy for very similar reasons. Then me leaving my vote on him for the majority of the day and having him in the bottom part of my wolf list? Are you trying to tone read us?

Did you read any of my prior wolf games?

You can't put this all on me if you're going to use intangible reads that you don't have the experience to make (the experience with both of my games in long games)
I feel like you are trying to use my inexperience to get me to question my reads.

I dont need experience to point out early interactions that appear to be forced and weird IMO.

THe weirdest part obv being PBAL's response to both you and Well Named's claims.

He gives credibility to Well Named, but seemingly for no reason at all, acts like your read of him doesnt deserve credibility.

Would you find that weird if you were me or would you say "I"m too inexperienced to find that weird."
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10-04-2013 , 06:43 PM
Boiler

I'm not purposely ignoring you

It's hard to see who quoted whom on phone

If pbal and you/bhuber/xkf don't kill me we'll chat tomorrow
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10-04-2013 , 06:47 PM
wtf
wtf
wtf
wtf

did you read whats in the parentheses? I specifcally wrote that so you wouldn't get offended. I'm practically begging you to go read my wolf games to realize that I can't be a wolf here. You don't have experience with me in long games. You don't know what my wolf game looks like because you haven't seen it. It's a fact. You're asking why you're wrong, and that's the main reason.

idk why pbal responded to us differently. Well named was a lot more articulate in his read which is likely why he responded to them differently. My read was vague but sometimes I make vague reads. You're also presupposing that pbal is a wolf to make me a wolf. you did the same thing yesterday when you were presupposing TL was a wolf and soah was a villager before soah flipped (i mean you were right but why would you make that assumption)

Like in my defence today, do you think I've been wolfy or villagery? Pretend you know I'm a villager, how do you think I would be responding to everything you're saying?
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10-04-2013 , 06:48 PM
do you think I would kill WN last night?
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10-04-2013 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
wtf
wtf
wtf
wtf

did you read whats in the parentheses? I specifcally wrote that so you wouldn't get offended. I'm practically begging you to go read my wolf games to realize that I can't be a wolf here. You don't have experience with me in long games. You don't know what my wolf game looks like because you haven't seen it. It's a fact. You're asking why you're wrong, and that's the main reason.

idk why pbal responded to us differently. Well named was a lot more articulate in his read which is likely why he responded to them differently. My read was vague but sometimes I make vague reads. You're also presupposing that pbal is a wolf to make me a wolf. you did the same thing yesterday when you were presupposing TL was a wolf and soah was a villager before soah flipped (i mean you were right but why would you make that assumption)

Like in my defence today, do you think I've been wolfy or villagery? Pretend you know I'm a villager, how do you think I would be responding to everything you're saying?

If you link your wolf games I will read them. Obv you are never getting my vote to be lynched over TL and PBAL, so you have time to convince me.
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10-04-2013 , 06:50 PM
luckbox, do you have any read on me at all
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10-04-2013 , 06:51 PM
Is defence and defense the same thing
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10-04-2013 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
do you think I would kill WN last night?
I think the WN night kill makes perfect sense for you. He already read you as a villager, so you basically have his read on you as defense for the entire game if he is dead. He cant turn around and start finding you wolfy if he is dead, correct?

Once he cleared you as an obvious villager, and also appeared pretty villagery to everyone else, that looks great for you once he is dead.

Does this make sense to you?
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10-04-2013 , 06:55 PM
Look Aksdal, I feel like I'm forcing you to defend yourself instead of you solving teh game.

In the event that I'm wrong about you and you are indeed a villager, I want to give you teh chance to try and solve the game instead of defend yourself. You are never getting lynched tonight so you will have all day tomorrow to defend yourself to me.


For now, let's spend the last hour until EOD to consider other scenarios. Ok?

Does this sound fair to you?
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10-04-2013 , 07:00 PM
Votes from post 1363 to post 1736
Night in 1:00:57

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VotesLynchVoters
2 TimeLady Xkf (26), metsandfinsfan (59)
1 bhuber2010 PlzBeALevel (11)
3 unvote Luckbox Inc (62), ihcjay (52), Aksdal (67)
3 not voting TimeLady (5), ReddBoiler (50), bhuber2010 (32)
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10-04-2013 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ReddBoiler
If you link your wolf games I will read them. Obv you are never getting my vote to be lynched over TL and PBAL, so you have time to convince me.
http://www.checkmywwstats.com/index....&Player=Aksdal

btw I'm not going to convince you myself, you kind of have to come to that decision yourself or at least meet me halfway.

here's a game i won as a wolf
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10-04-2013 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ReddBoiler
I think the WN night kill makes perfect sense for you. He already read you as a villager, so you basically have his read on you as defense for the entire game if he is dead. He cant turn around and start finding you wolfy if he is dead, correct?

Once he cleared you as an obvious villager, and also appeared pretty villagery to everyone else, that looks great for you once he is dead.

Does this make sense to you?
if I were a wolf I would have to make a decision on whether or not to kill him. I certainly could have, but I also could have not. I realize I can't convince you of this, but I don't really trust ppl to listen to dead villagers too often even when they are strong players with strong stated reads.
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10-04-2013 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ReddBoiler
Look Aksdal, I feel like I'm forcing you to defend yourself instead of you solving teh game.

In the event that I'm wrong about you and you are indeed a villager, I want to give you teh chance to try and solve the game instead of defend yourself. You are never getting lynched tonight so you will have all day tomorrow to defend yourself to me.


For now, let's spend the last hour until EOD to consider other scenarios. Ok?

Does this sound fair to you?
not really tbh. i can't convince you of something when your mind is already made up. you have to take it under consideration yourself. It would be a whole lot easier for you to clear me than for me to solve the ****ing game
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10-04-2013 , 07:09 PM
if me TL and PBAL are wolves, why am I the only one trying right now? It doesn't make sense. If They're both wolves, than the 3rd wolf is someone they think will fade 2 lynches, and based on comments from you, ihc and bhuber, I'm one there aren't 2 ppl that are getting lynched before me probably.
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10-04-2013 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
home for the rest of the night and basically caught up as well. I mostly agree with everything well named is doing, although i have no confidence that soah is a wolf and likely won't vote for him unless I have absolutely no reasons other viable wagons. To get a better idea I'm going to reread bowens and compare w/ old games since I think it's highly unlikely that they're w/w.

pbal, do you think I'm a wolf and if so why?
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
soah why did you have pbal as villagery? how difficult was it to get there?

caveat: i don't think pbal is necessarily a wolf aorn
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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel
Aksdal I don't have a wolf read on you per say but it seems like you've been on the periphery. Even your posts on me were pretty soft. Have you been wolfhunting?
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
depends what you mean by wolfhunting. in general when im villaging I don't really 'come at' people too hard. I'm not really sure if other people have that perception of my wolf game or not, but the way I village (or wolfhunt) is to just put my thoughts out there and typically not pressure ppl directly, but to just explain my reads and pressure other ppl to agree with them. You could probably consider what I just told you and look at this game and conclude that I'm not really doing that, but really well named has had a lot of the same reads as me for similar reasons and he's done all the explaining for me. I think you'll see a few times in his explanations that he points out that I'm coming to the same conclusions as him (ie TimeLadys list and calling out your posts for being wolfy (or at least not villagery)). The other big part of my village game is trying to clear ppl which I have been doing. Reading old games is the easiest way so that's what i've been doing.

but yeah, in general i've been wolfhunting.

I know you think that your tone is v good as a wolf and you're game is probably very well balanced which I'm sure it is, do you have any thoughts on soah and TL having you as a villager so far? Do you normally get ppl clearing you a lot early on d1s? Do you think anyone clearing you so far could have valid reasons for doing so?
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Originally Posted by PlzBeALevel
I posted earlier that TL has a history of clearing me light when she is a wolf and I'm a villager.

I don't think the post about me posting differently in another game to call me a villager (which soah sponged partly as an explanation) is accurate at all. I think mood and other such factors contribute a lot more to me posting differently from occasion to occasion rather than my role. The caveat to this is that they can't know that obviously. I just read those posts and thought well I was obviously feeling very trite whenever that was. Sometimes I'm calmer and more longwinded and role shmole. If you get me.
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
regarding mood and how ppl post, I think playerlist plays a fairly big role in it. And considering this playerlist, comparing it to mish mashes and stuff is a little sketchy because I think ppl are going to be a lot more explainy and long winded here compared to your average vanilla and way more explainy and long winded than in a mish mash.

fwiw, when I did go back and skim your other games I was looking at how you made reads as a villager and compared it to how you made reads here, not really tone. I think this is going to be a pretty good indicator most of the time and long windedness and explaininess shouldn't cause too much noise. that said, I didn't read your old games super carefully and i'll likely take another look at other games before night if i have time


Just putting all of this here. No real thoughts on it yet.

OT: What does aorn stand for?
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10-04-2013 , 07:11 PM
Plans changed so we didn't end up going to the game. I should be mostly around til EOD now.

I'm just gonna go ahead and clear Aksdal and Redd now too.

Aksdal, while I was kind of reluctant to clear you out of spite earlier, it's pretty obvious at this point that you are trying to figure out people's roles. I kind of get what you are saying about Pbal as well but I also feel that the wolves may be more likely to slank and just let villagers fight it out today.

Redd, I think you are making points that you believe to be true, and regardless if they are true I think a lot of your posts are hard to make as a wolf. Especially a new one.

So I think this leaves TL/Pbal/Xkf as the probable wolf team. I may be wrong on bhuber but I won't worry about that until I need to.
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10-04-2013 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
luckbox, do you have any read on me at all
yeah I think you're good.. Your reads post today I thought was great but I've pretty much always thought you good
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10-04-2013 , 07:14 PM
aorn = as of right now
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10-04-2013 , 07:16 PM
Mets are you lurking the thread?
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10-04-2013 , 07:18 PM
word, sorry if i was a dick to either of you

pun intended
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10-04-2013 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
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Originally Posted by well named
aksdal is hard to explain, but I'll try

first the pbal vote. My initial reaction was suspicion but then I thought about it and it made sense to me and seemed liek the kind of read aksdal makes as a villager. Both the fact that it was non-obvious and that it was actually reasonable at the time give me a villager lean on him. First because I think wolf-aksdal would not make such a subtly reasonable but superficially stinky vote. I think he would look fairer but smell fouler, to quote sam gamgee. The fact that I could dig into it and follow it implies a thought process that's villagery and unfaked

that's actually 90% of the read now that I think about it :P
here's an accurate read based on my pbal vote and subsequent explanation
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Originally Posted by Aksdal
if I were a wolf I would have to make a decision on whether or not to kill him. I certainly could have, but I also could have not. I realize I can't convince you of this, but I don't really trust ppl to listen to dead villagers too often even when they are strong players with strong stated reads.
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You kind of just asked me to listen to Well Named, then told me you would never trust someone to listen to a dead villager, right?
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10-04-2013 , 07:20 PM
right! which would disincentivize me to NK him!

also, I don't trust ppl to do it, but I think they should!
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