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Regarding Rollwave, his super villagery post was the case on larry legend when there were "no wagons."

If you look at it, duck had 3 votes, and rebonk had 3 votes, with only 27 minutes left. I was actively pushing rebonk, also.

His post makes sense as a wolf there. Then when the larry legend attack fell through, he went for fcbl instead.

He looks really bad. He could have just been a wrong villager, but hes way >rand to be a wolf. Also, it makes sense that he would try hard there, rebonk only had 3 votes so it was kind of safe to make a case on someone, and it was guaranteed to get some support since no one had really made a case yet. Going with FCBL over rebonk is a risk worth taking; it's the wolf SEER for crying out loud, losing him day 1 is a disaster.

Rollwave

is an even better vote than titan right now, but I like both wagons a lot.

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01-11-2011 , 04:52 PM

#877

tarheeljks

The Dark Knight

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Originally Posted by ▬▬▬▬▬▬

you can just use something like "line" fwiw...works just as good (although we're trying to win so not rly)

I do think rollwave is a better vote than titan based on the points tarheels' brought up. I just think that voting for fcbl last night is worse than voting youngguns, so we should focus on the ppl who voted fcbl. even if the wagons were w/w, if rebonk is wolf MVP, why would wolves vote for another person with no momentum (youngguns) as opposed to the lesser of two evils in fcbl?

i wouldn't say younggunz had no momentum b/c at one point close to night all 3 were tied, so i think you answered your own question in saying "even if fcbl/rebonk are w/w"

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01-11-2011 , 04:53 PM

#878

feedmykids

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Also, tarheel was the one who put the THIRD vote in on rebonk, to make him become a legit viable wagon. There is NO WAY tarheel is a wolf here, and in fact I will add him to the village masonry.

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01-11-2011 , 04:53 PM

#879

feedmykids

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Villagers:

FMK
telcontar
tarheel
mflip

Wolves:
Rollwave
Titan

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01-11-2011 , 04:54 PM

#880

feedmykids

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Also we need to examine the terribad youngguns wagon yesterday at some point. DEFINITE WOLF ACTIVITY there

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01-11-2011 , 04:55 PM

#881

Larry Legend

Celtic Pride

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petition to be on the villager list.

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01-11-2011 , 04:56 PM

#882

mflip

Pooh-Bah

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RollWave

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01-11-2011 , 04:58 PM

#883

tarheeljks

The Dark Knight

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

getting in a quick post, won't be able to post too much til i get home later

first people are criticizing my play yesterday and i don't get it i

i pushed kkcountry hard and no one got on and last night proved me right

i dont think younggun was a bad wagon, i hadn't reread rebonk in-depth at any point, it just wasn't a wagon i was interested in, i thought fcbl was a bad wagon

iv pushed utr and nonposter players d1 in multiple games, same argument every time, i think the convention of not doing is overdone and not as useful as a lot of people make it out to be, really people are just unnecessarily worried about hitting a villa power role d1 and don't think about the longer term implications and benefits of putting incentives in place for everyone to be active earlier

pretty much everyone on rebonk wagon can be ruled out today and a lot of info from all the posts wev had so far, we lost a power role so villa shouldnt get cocky but we are off to a good start

i can defend myself more if neccesary but i think my play yesterday speaks pretty well for itself and most of the people making it may not really have followed yesterday that closely

this post felt villagery until i read that line

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01-11-2011 , 05:03 PM

#884

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I think he might have been referring to Haynesworth as a power role.

I will break things if Brett Favre is in the masonry.

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01-11-2011 , 05:03 PM

#885

tarheeljks

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ok nm i read extremely poorly lol.

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01-11-2011 , 05:04 PM

#886

tarheeljks

The Dark Knight

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i only saw the andy reid part of the writeup the first time for some reason

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01-11-2011 , 05:05 PM

#887

feedmykids

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Originally Posted by Larry Legend

petition to be on the villager list.

Sure, but you are not in the village masonry yet.

I think larry legend and pyro are both villagery (larry legend more so).

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01-11-2011 , 05:11 PM

#888

bsball8806

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moni how was youngguns not a bad wagon

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01-11-2011 , 05:12 PM

#889

OneCrazyDuck

veteran

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

in

haven't read much

i was actually at the eagles game yesterday though and damn you akers!

First post; couple pages in, don't really like fluffy posts a couple pages in, but ok ...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

anyone else think the bar in the opening post could be important

systolic noticed it too it looked like?

Could've come out of actually reading the thread; could be a post to try and make us think Moni's not in wolf chat... systolic's post was a vote for line, but that may not be readily apparent when it's bolded in a post on its own...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

also, agree on dean being a terrible wagon today based on him being a new player and participating a good amount all ready, likely to have leaks if he is a wolf

for reference:

haven't played with:
kkcountry
mflip
younguns87
JGOLD93
bacats32
TheDean1
zzthe3rd
tarhelljks

1 or fewer games:
Felix the Cat
OneCrazyDuck

this is actually a lot of people i haven't played with, should make for an interesting game

Good reasoning on dean in regards to being a new player...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

quick list of observations

lol at mflip - i chuckled once or twice at the humor, shouldn't be a wagon today

the post of bsballs that systolic calls villagery may be villagery but its not inherently villagery - it was a little odd the way it was pointed out

or the dean reeking of villagerness? ugh - do you pull out a thesaurus so as not to give tells or something - again its a questionable observation with words that don't seem to belong

dean doesn't come off particularly villagery but hes a new player and for reasons i mentioned all ready not a practical d1 wagon

sixfour posts all been pretty weak content wise

plzbe a level using hifi cat may be physchologically throwing me off reads on him as im used to reading hifi as a villager

disagree with CDL on maruchans post being wolfy, he has a kind of analytical game but i think it is consistent so it is role neutral

wait its bacats first game too... oh man

not sure what to make of tarheels yet

jgold vote on bsball with no comment unusual

oh its his first game too, i can see bsball reading pretty wolfy to a new player, prob did too me first time we played

country posts im really not liking - country do you play ww frequently or anything - i need to establish some kind of baseline thats not random pictures and spoiler tags

youngguns voting legend - i dont even know what to say

ok ending this post for now, more to come

Lots of information here; nothing that jumps out as being really bad.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

people i haven't posted specific observations on i don't have anything too strongly to say or worth saying yet

ewalsh was pretty much dead on with me though and might not want to say that if he were a wolf (not that i get mislynched that often as a villager these day anyways)

okie dokie. ewalsh just said Moni was villagery for confusion on line's name ...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

are you asking about me or maruchan?

if your asking about maru i think i have a decent feel for his villa game from the most recent draft game

he puts in work content wise as a villager, not necessarily d1 especially as there is less information for logic-based players to work with

let me know if im being unclear as i often am

Trying to explain himself, villagery to not ignore questions...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

oh the dean

there are often good reasons for villagers not to want to post too much the first day, also that

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

its hard making reads d1, its one of the hardest aspects of werewolf for a lot of people so i wouldn't go after someone for that

its better for people to be trying then not posting it for fear of people criticizing their efforts

This, at least IMO, seems to counteract the "lynch UTRs!" point. If it makes sense for villagers to not want to post too much, if we lynch UTRs, doesn't that give us a bigger chance to lynch villagers? Perhaps I'm missing something. I get wanting to try and drive out UTRs with votes during the day, but by EOD, you need to vote for somebody who's going to get lynched.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

paging chris

say something that shows me you are a villager

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

im not opposed to voting non poster d1, i think when there are a lot of new players as well there is a stronger case for it as following some people logic we wont be able to lynch a large subsection of players, making it more likely we kill off more active and often more villagery players

even active wolves can be better to have around than nonactive villages if villagers can use that info productively endgame

More on lynching UTRs... I may be biased after the last game I played, where we ended up lynching a bunch of UTRs towards the end, and it turned out all the wolves were active players. But I don't like the "activity == villagery" train of thought too much.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

kkvcountry

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

so my vote is on country for continuing to post pictures when wagons are kind of important

someone should vote a post count though, the current process is pretty horrible

kkc hadn't provided a lot of content at this point, so ok ...

The other interesting part is "vote a post count", and later asking for a "post count". Those seem like that, uh, Scott Howard thing everyone mentions? That bad phrasing is typically wolfy? Mixing up vote and post a bunch seems to fit that criteria.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

feedmykids and systolic are both bad wagons today which is not to say systolic isn't a good wagon in a vacuum

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

people id consider voting

not digger
felix
jonnyd
country
not legend
not OTI
pwnsall
not sooted
youngun
zomghax
zz

This was clarified later: the "not" doesn't mean it's clearing them, it just means they're typically good players, and Moni would rather vote any of the other people except them.

THE CLARIFICATION LATER ON:

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

these are players who havent posted much who i have a good amount of experience playing with so i would not like to wagon them, plus they have solid villa games

but based on post count they are worth wagoning so i wanted to show i was aware, should have explained it better

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

summary on rebonk

rebonk impressed me with his wolf game in game where wolves owned but whats the case today

I can't figure out what moni is trying to say on rebonk in this game...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

mostly me not likling the content

but im not remembering playing with him beffore

i can let it go for now

back to my list everyone

unvote

Unvoting kkc after some pushing...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

zzguy

I think zz was at 0 posts at this point...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

im not saying i can read you

just that i am/i was willing to vote you, been pretty unhappy with wagons so far

just trying to get something started

you like any of the other people on my list as wagons?

Talking to jonny in re: to jonny being on the list earlier

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

i would like pwsnall more as a vote if plzbe and systolic werent voting for him

Lots of people Moni doesn't like now... getting close to everyone in the game

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

LL is a pretty bad wagon d1

larry a new player could easily think you are a wolf, reasoning was awkward i agree but not jumping to conclusions yet

Agree

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

zzthe3rd

or youngun

done the least in thread from what i can tell

not posting is a good criteria with multiple utr and multiple new players, we cant give everyone immunity

Both at or around 0 posts... lynching them wouldn't have given us much info, and they can't be much different than rand() to be wolves...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

i havent read rebonk very carefully but i have a really hard time condoning it in this spot, im all about providing pressure/incentives for people to post and better to start today

Still on the same line as before...

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

at least some of the players ignoring me are wolfy

none of the lead wagons are good wagons

Which players did you feel were ignoring you?

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

younguns87

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

FCBL doesnt make sense

FCBL has a track history as villa and wolf

youngunz has nothing

Not sure what this post means.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

getting in a quick post, won't be able to post too much til i get home later

first people are criticizing my play yesterday and i don't get it i

i pushed kkcountry hard and no one got on and last night proved me right

i dont think younggun was a bad wagon, i hadn't reread rebonk in-depth at any point, it just wasn't a wagon i was interested in, i thought fcbl was a bad wagon

iv pushed utr and nonposter players d1 in multiple games, same argument every time, i think the convention of not doing is overdone and not as useful as a lot of people make it out to be, really people are just unnecessarily worried about hitting a villa power role d1 and don't think about the longer term implications and benefits of putting incentives in place for everyone to be active earlier

pretty much everyone on rebonk wagon can be ruled out today and a lot of info from all the posts wev had so far, we lost a power role so villa shouldnt get cocky but we are off to a good start

i can defend myself more if neccesary but i think my play yesterday speaks pretty well for itself and most of the people making it may not really have followed yesterday that closely

This post seems decent enough, and slightly frustrated at coming back to see everyone pushing him...

After the reread, I don't think Moni was as bad as I was implying earlier. I think the "vote count"/"post count" stuff could be a little damning; and the stuff about line seems role neutral. I don't want to clear based on all this, but I couldn't put Moni on a solid wolf read list...

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01-11-2011 , 05:15 PM

#890

Duckburg

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No need to read up live.

Here's what I got.
Villager:
FMK

Wolf:
FCBLComish
cadaz

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01-11-2011 , 05:17 PM

#891

TheDean1

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Originally Posted by Duckburg

No need to read up live.

Here's what I got.
Villager:
FMK

Wolf:
FCBLComish
cadaz

GOAT wolf list IMO

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01-11-2011 , 05:19 PM

#892

Larry Legend

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I gotta go with OneCrazyDuck> Duckburg in a battle of the birds..

duckburg,

you can do better than clear the clearest villager itt.

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01-11-2011 , 05:19 PM

#893

Duckburg

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Goat?

Could you explain plz?

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01-11-2011 , 05:20 PM

#894

TheDean1

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Greatest
Of
All
Time

It's abundantly used in SE.

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01-11-2011 , 05:23 PM

#895

jonnyd

hey guys

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sup

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01-11-2011 , 05:26 PM

#896

TheDean1

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Hi jonny.

I think you're villa.

Are my reads getting better?

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01-11-2011 , 05:27 PM

#897

jonnyd

hey guys

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well i skim/caught up so idk if i stopped to read any of your posts (definitely didnt read monikrazy's -- too lolbad)

no offense

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01-11-2011 , 05:28 PM

#898

mflip

Pooh-Bah

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Originally Posted by younguns87

legend42

Here's his only post for reference

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Originally Posted by sixfour

nice first post to make, elaborate?

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Originally Posted by sixfour

sod it

younguns

that sort of random vote on someone that hasn't even posted yet is too weird

fine.

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Originally Posted by FCBLComish

Exactly my thought when I read it.

Younguns

Cats and Bsball are obviously on seperate teams here.

fine

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

quick list of observations

youngguns voting legend - i dont even know what to say

doesn't really lead to voting for him later.

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Originally Posted by mflip

legend votes are bad since he has 1 post saying when he'll get to the thread.

younguns post was bad but is this his first game?

I still don't know the answer to this.

Then there is a really long gap before this next vote.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

younguns87

Don't like this. It comes out of nowhere 7 minutes before eod with no reasoning and he said earlier that he didn't know what to say about yg's vote.

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Originally Posted by legend42

FCBL is the most common coput d1 wagon in the history of d1s

I have no idea but I'm voting for the youngguns dude who put a random vote on me and disappeared...let's just get rid of him

Don't like this post.

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

youngguns

villa

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Originally Posted by bsball8806

voting the guy who made one post which was a vote is a huge fail

legend- FCBL was actually wolfy. Take it from someone who has played 20+ games with him

I like this post.

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Originally Posted by TheDean1

made one post, it was a Legend vote.

feels like a copout wagon IMO.

This is good for TheDean.

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Originally Posted by legend42

Actually bsball makes a good post here. Yes it's a x-post from like 10 minutes before. I got things going on.

FCBL

and then we can clear YG if he flips wolf

legend moves off yg.

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Originally Posted by bsball8806

did youngguns like make other posts? because I only see one and that is no reason to lynch him

More bsball defending YG.

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Originally Posted by feedmykids

youngguns is terrible. wolf activity on youngguns imo

Good.

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Originally Posted by kkcountry

younguns is good

[/b]younguns[/b]

Confirmed wolf.

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

FCBL doesnt make sense

FCBL has a track history as villa and wolf

youngunz has nothing

more monikrazy pushing YG over FCBL. This will be really really bad if FCBL is wolf.

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Originally Posted by kkcountry

ugh younguns

wolf.

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Originally Posted by feedmykids

STOP WITH THE ****ING YOUNGGUNS VOTES ITS TERRIBLE

fmk doing good.

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Originally Posted by Systolic

Seriously I think I agree with fmk for once.

vote rebonk over FCBL and youngguns

Systolic is villa.

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Originally Posted by Titanrulez

youngguns

Right at eod. At this point it seemed like FCBL was definitely ahead of YG so I'm not sure if a wolf goes here instead of FCBL especially since he was switching off of rebonk.

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Originally Posted by bsball8806

youngguns is like the worst wagon ever even if he's a wolf you guys should be ashamed

bsball again.

Think moniker looks really bad from this.

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01-11-2011 , 05:28 PM

#899

jonnyd

hey guys

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im pretty proud of myself for stepping back from the situation.. realizing that the rebonk wagon was likely a wolf because of how the other wagons were taking off. and getting on rebonk.. without having read a case or anything

all while watching the bcs championship game.