damn greens!

Day 1: Automated Votals from #146 to #151

UpsideDownChuck (2): metsandfinsfan (19), bsball8806 (30)
iraisetoomuch (1): UpsideDownChuck (12)
ShipItUp (1): filthyvermin (11)
Not voting (9): carolinacoder (0), crossnerd (0), Doctor Zeus (13), iraisetoomuch (22), JMurder3 (14), Kawamii (6), Luckbox Inc (16), ShipItUp (0), Sun Tzu (0)

Phase ends in 9h1m. Hammer at 13.

Vote history:

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I don't usually see the need to share all of my thoughts in a game. Especially overrated is clearing people early who aren't in any danger of being lunched. This situation isn't the same obviously-- but just saying "whoa Filthy"-- which would have been my post had I chosen to say anything, wouldn't accomplish too much.

WW is an inherently probabilistic game*, & on d1 of a vanilla the inherent probabilities are inherently muddled & not too far from rand.

Have any fun early d1 thoughts?


*trademark Gadarene

Out of idle curiosity, what did you like about this post by bsb, filthy?

I mean these were my posts, and you were calling Kawamii wolfy and I'm saying villagery.
But I do like your post here on tone. I'll probably decide filthy is a villager soon but what is going on here?

This posting sequence makes no sense to me, and is not explicable simply by ‘it’s early D1 and all reads are thin’ as the last post posits. The fourth post is clearly not what the first three posts were implying, and I have no idea why a villager would try to throw that out there. During my engagement with IRTM it’s felt very much like he is saying what he thinks he needs to say for me to go away, and that’s apparent with that fourth post.

I also don’t like that he inserted that he won’t share stuff because when it’s wrong he gets called a wolf. For one he posts a lot so I don’t think he actually believes that. For another it feels like he’s salty that he’s not being town read despite posting a lot. This is admittedly a thinner point than the first one.

I do thinly like that he defended me from bsvall. I think it would be tempting to +1 that and try to hurt the credibility of his accuser, so if he didn’t that was very disciplined and tricky wolf play.

I don’t think that further pushing on this one point with IRTM is going to be terribly productive, although maybe something new will come up, so I’m going to broaden my targets. On my catch up read I was towniebin JM3, neutral/maybe slightly town on bsball and disliked Dr Zeus

LB - can you talk to me about this series of posts?

Like 10 posts into the game one would hope you could see every player has either villa or wolf. What in particular about Kami's posting did you find wolfy that was overridden by her carelessness?

Seems like a fair assessment

it struck me that bsball was thinking about reading people and genuinely trying to figure out who is who. like he was thinking about his reads on all the players in the game. and what he was going to have to do throughout the game to try and solve it

Part of what I was going for in my initial post was contrasting IRTM bringing up that you’d been wrong before on him, with him saying Kamii was wolfy and then when asked why saying ‘well I always think that’. It seemed like if he was just thinking about a player who’d been wrong on him, and urging them to temper their read of him, he’d also have a similar thought process with Kamii where he’d think, ‘well that pings me but I am always think she’s a wolf even when she’s not, so maybe I should hold back a bit’. But none of that was present. The ‘it seems like he knows bsvall is a villa’ was a secondary point. In general I think that kinda thing is slightly greater than rand wolfy, but yea by itself it is not terribly interesting.

irtm

There wasn't anything that I saw really...tone was great. But I could also see how someone might possibly think that her posts were affected.

agh, no... carolinacoder

i want to vote off a slanker. i think that is the best strategy early on

but i like upsidedownchuck's case on irtm


wolves:
slankers
irtm

villagers:
jmurder
bsball

It's like yall think that I voted her in bold and screamed her name 1000 times.
The read is about as strong as the amount of times I've talked about it. For good reason.

So yes, I think she's slightly wolfy. I also know I tend to think she's slightly wolfy. Which is why I've done ~nothing to push it.

"slankers" is not a player in the game. i just meant all the slankers

Fair. He could be also thinking about his place in the game if he is a wolf & how to interact with certain people in that role & laying the groundwork to push any of those people & hopefully not have them push back too hard.

& if he's a wolf probably exactly 1 of those 3 is also a wolf lol.

That post was meant to be about bsvall and then it turned into another post on IRTM. Why I’m neutral leaning slight town on bsvall is that whenever I play with a new group of people, there’s always someone who calls me a wolf for posting too dry/analytical and seeming too self-serious and I every time this has happened the first person to offer this read is a villager. There’s no reason theoretically a wolf couldn’t make this read, perhaps because they know it’s a stylistic thing they don’t, but empirically it’s always a villager.

On the other hand I didn’t like Dr Zeus jumping in to +1 that read and then not engaging with the follow-up and defense offered by other players

yeah, but no way bsball is smart enough to do that as a wolf

Btw - I acknowledge UDC's case on IRTM & think it's a good case & I've made similar cases on IRTM in the past... but have found them to be infuriatingly rand, so I'm staying out of it, but I like the conversation in general.

Yeah seems fine. Filthy was wolfy. Kawamii posts are villagery imo but "I'm a WW god" could be seen as a bit over the top. "Bed time pce" post #2 pretty solid stuff though

Affected? Like fake?

Yeah. I don't think it. I think those posts are great. But I could see how a villager at that point in time could construe those posts as wolfy-- not the greatest of early d1 tone reading villagers, but how some villagers could.

Not a fan of this post for the ‘guilty conscience’ reason all ready floated by JM3

Dr Zaus you +1’d bsball’s initial scumread of me. There’s been a lot of discussion since with a couple of players pushing back and bsball refining/explaining differently his read. What are your thoughts on that discussion?