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07-13-2014 , 05:04 AM
if it's xhad, gamer was spewed villager from the posts I quoted as well
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07-13-2014 , 05:07 AM
Was he? I really need to reread your quotes.
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07-13-2014 , 05:09 AM
Still, X had a pretty amazing EoD. He would need to have set that up beforehand or to have been actively discussing with Tzu about risk management etc to work this out during a lynch unless he went yolo on his own team. I kinda want it to be X since that makes sense to me but it isn't a simple thing to explain.
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07-13-2014 , 05:11 AM
Grant2
Darthe
Monstr
Redd
Gamer

Wilverine
Well Named
Xhad

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Redd - imho the most capable in this game of fooling people as a W, but I wouldn't even consider that today

WN - don't remember any good posts from him, OTOH he sealed off sun so I dunno

Wilv - i hate his posts but I can't ignore that he was hung out to dry EOD1

Xhad - i guess i'm the minority on him but I feel like he's too smart to accidentally be nonsensical in the ways he is, and it's really bugging me. Getting a wolf was obviously a great result today but I have blueballs that we didn't get much info on EOD1.
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07-13-2014 , 05:13 AM
I think my biggest struggle here is that you all are more subtle than my home forum. Idk if anybody read that thread a lot but I am from a more... Game of Thrones type of place and this is some House of Cards level shi-
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07-13-2014 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Darthe
Still, X had a pretty amazing EoD. He would need to have set that up beforehand or to have been actively discussing with Tzu about risk management etc to work this out during a lynch unless he went yolo on his own team.
I can't quite decipher what that means. But I think it's pretty obvious Sun wasn't at a computer EOD, and based on the fact that he accidentally deadposted he was probably surprised by the early EOD.
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07-13-2014 , 05:20 AM
I keep asking why Darthe isn't asleep.
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07-13-2014 , 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by grant2
I can't quite decipher what that means. But I think it's pretty obvious Sun wasn't at a computer EOD, and based on the fact that he accidentally deadposted he was probably surprised by the early EOD.
I'm saying that it was a pretty hardcore bus if we are to believe X is scum which I doubt would happen without him planning it with his teammate first. Unless we think X went YOLO with the bus move to protect himself then him as scum doesn't really add up. It bothers me because it's something I can't get past despite the fact that if it wasn't there I'd consider him an obvious wolf.
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07-13-2014 , 05:33 AM
I just reviewed and yes it was a pretty clutch switch. Although once Redd hardclaims, i kind of feel that he was forced to switch votes. Maybe I'm looking at it with too much prejudice.
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07-13-2014 , 05:34 AM
anyways we're a pair of sickos for WW'ing middle of the night. I'm way past bedtime and you should probably lay with your thermally-radiant lady.
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07-13-2014 , 05:35 AM
I should be asleep too but I had a really bad day so I just can't

probably a terrible idea.
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07-13-2014 , 05:39 AM
Lol yeah but we are all up so let's continue to talk. Can you make a list like that Monstr?
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07-13-2014 , 07:45 AM
guys

you realize you initially suspected me of wolf because you think I pulled the most idiotic attempted save ever d1

but now you think I'm some kind of ultra super busser d2

make up your effing minds how smart you think I am

I'm not leveling you, you're leveling yourselves. I'm never a wolf this game
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07-13-2014 , 07:46 AM
proof that there are 3 wolves

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Known info:
-No Innocent Child (modconfirm d1)
-At least 3 vanilla town (Quarrr, Jimmy Rustle, ZomgHax)
-At least 1 vanilla goon (Sun Tzu)
-At least CC (batm - Cop)
-Some combination of V/TTT, V/T, VV/TTT, VV/T, VVV+ (3 deaths n1)

CC = Cop
CCC = Cop, 1-Shot Cop
CCCC = 2 Cops
CCCCC = 2 Cops, 1-Shot Cop

D = Doctor
DD = Doctor + 1-Shot Doctor
DDD = 2 Doctors

V = 1-Shot Vigilante
VV = Vigilante
VVV = Vigilante, 1-Shot Vigilante
VVVV = 2 Vigilantes
VVVVV = 2 Vigilantes, 1-Shot Vigilante

MM = 2 Masons

B = Roleblocker
BB = Roleblocker + 1-Shot Roleblocker
BBB = 2 Roleblockers

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
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07-13-2014 , 08:15 AM
btw

I like Darthe's night posts. That said, there is no way his d1 interaction with Sun Tzu clears him. look at the stuff I quoted. Plenty of distancing behavior that I already pointed out.

Similarly, there's no reason wilv/Sun can't be wolves if they are familiar with even the basic concept of bussing. Sun wasn't a realistic wagon when wilv voted him and Sun only voted wilv when it looked like he might be a winning wagon and he wasn't defending himself

(and oh my god, I still don't have the words to express how dumb it is that you guys can think my d1 switchvote makes any sense if I am wolf and they are v/v wagons. how can jumping on the mislynch possibly benefit me when I'm already on a mislynch and expect it not to go through? what could that possibly accomplish?)
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07-13-2014 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by grant2
I just reviewed and yes it was a pretty clutch switch. Although once Redd hardclaims, i kind of feel that he was forced to switch votes. Maybe I'm looking at it with too much prejudice.
If this is also about me, reread my posts because you're wrong if you think I ever wanted to be on Redd

I was calling him a practically confirmed vig from the start of d2

I said I would lynch him "about 0%" before I was even under pressure and I never wavered on that

when the Redd wagon started I said it was so horrible that even I would consider lynching myself first

even when I voted I said "officially hate this"

I was very clear, all day, including during his wagon, that I didn't want to lynch Redd. If not for the existence of sk I wouldn't have even voted him to save myself.
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07-13-2014 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Darthe
Can we plz move away from wolverine. Lynch is idiotic and poorly driven in general. Or someone give me a synopsis of why he is a good enough lynch in the next three minutes that I don't want to flay you for it tomorrow.
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really the best case for a quarr lynch compared to wolverine is to compare who is voting them. Clearly a better option.

Clearly.
sorry I listened, sincerely
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07-13-2014 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Xhad
nvm, days are short and he seems to have vanished:

It's not just the way he wagoned you. It's the way he talked up your wagon, which was in the lead, while not voting only to jump on right when it looked like your lynch might happen. Given the daycycle I'd realistically lynch him just for that and consider you cleared (barring SK) if he flips scum.

As a bonus, most of his other posts are "reads" of the form "lol this guy is a wolf unless he's not lol"
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Originally Posted by ZomgHax
Yea upon further review, I think you're right Xhad.

Wilv's opening this game versus his opening last game. Pay attention to his confidence level.



Hedging.



Hedging.





His only read so far with no hedging.



Buuuut then he hedges.



Moar hedging.



And more hedging.

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Then take a look at last game:



Much more confidence.



No hedging, just straight up "you're a wolf".



Decent amount of early reads, with no lack of confidence.



And more of the same.

Looking at it again, there definitely is a pretty big difference. He goes after people and clears people the same as he did last game, but he's not going nearly as "hard in the paint" as he did as a villager last game.
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Originally Posted by Xhad
-I voted zomghax as a joke
-hax made what sounded like an overreaction and I pressed him for it
-a couple other people voted him
-I was satisfied with his follow-ups
-wilverine then votes hax in an imo really wolfy way while hax still has votes
-now I'm on wilverine

wilverine vote explanation at http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=569
here is why I am not a wolf if wilv is a wolf. Why do Sun Tzu and I bus him this hard only to abandon it?

I'm even more not a wolf if wilv is not-wolf because why do I switch my vote from a mislynch to a mislynch that makes me look worse? What would even be the purpose of that?
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07-13-2014 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by grant2
Xhad - i guess i'm the minority on him but I feel like he's too smart to accidentally be nonsensical in the ways he is, and it's really bugging me. Getting a wolf was obviously a great result today but I have blueballs that we didn't get much info on EOD1.
If you think I am any kind of "smart" I don't make that d1 switchvote as a wolf ever. There is a massive implied insult to my intelligence if you think I would do that as a wolf.
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07-13-2014 , 08:58 AM
Eh let's just lynch evil tomorrow I'm probably wrong and have a tendency to hard defend wolves so
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07-13-2014 , 09:03 AM
So foo you guys have the infamous tell called butthurt?

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07-13-2014 , 09:03 AM
Night 2 was swift and merciless

Gamer Dude was a little too fond of lead paint.

He was:

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A boring vanilla villager.


well named was trumped by his only weakness: bullets.

He was:

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Your run of the mill vanilla villager.


IT IS DAY!

Jerks (6):
Darthe
grant2
monstrman
ReddBoiler
Wilverine
Xhad
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07-13-2014 , 09:03 AM
Yes I ready got that little sleep

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07-13-2014 , 09:03 AM
Votes from post 1922 to post 1923
Night in 11:57:09

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6 not voting Darthe (1), grant2 (0), monstrman (0), ReddBoiler (0), Wilverine (0), Xhad (0)
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07-13-2014 , 09:07 AM
Oh okay that makes **** weird. Not going to vote off the bat here but based on the WN flip and gamer dude for whatever reason I think we have a few different choices than before. Gonna read back read quick and see.

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