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07-12-2014 , 11:37 PM
all right, done spamming the thread. gn and gl vigs
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07-13-2014 , 12:13 AM
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07-13-2014 , 12:25 AM
sun tzu

I hope redd is telling the truth and the wovles never kill him and just use him as a free extra nk
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07-13-2014 , 12:27 AM
what happened to the wilverine wagon?
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07-13-2014 , 12:28 AM
wilverine
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07-13-2014 , 12:31 AM
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07-13-2014 , 12:33 AM
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07-13-2014 , 12:52 AM
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07-13-2014 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by grant2
I only skimmed this morning but right now I'm thinking:

- we need to sort out wilv and/or xhad. Which lynch will give us more info?

- wtf is monstr even getting any votes?
Okay, so this is notably town. I've been looking at the wilv/xhad EoD since I was out for most of it and I think grant has some awesomely town foresight here. Examine the following:

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Originally Posted by Xhad
Anyone voting for me today in particular is either wolf or dumb, and I don't think Darthe is dumb

The only remotely coherent argument for me as wolf requires wilv to also be a wolf

wrong townies can think I'm scum now but it makes no sense to vote me
This argument is **** for about a dozen reasons. When I reference "THAT POST" in the future know I am talking about this one.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
This reads as leveling
What is leveling? I don't know the term.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
If wilv is a villager who are the wolves?
A valid question. Notable reason that THAT POST was **** one. Xhad was voting wilv when he said it. This is prominent because scum loves to link themselves to people they know are going to flip town and he didn't have jack on the guy til EoD D1. It's a prominently trumped up read.

THAT POST reason two also fits well here. I don't do that whole "pick the scum in pairs/teams" thing. I don't know how it got so popular (prob scum driven) but it is a terrible way to scumhunt because it allows for shoddy clears.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
The wording here is wolfy as hell

underlined is more leveling
Still don't know what leveling means. I'm interested in seeing it.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
xhad/wilv for wolves

last wolf probably in sun/wn
Not xhad/wilv together imo. Xhad is clearly trying to tie himself to wilv as I'm going to keep showing here. Now that sun flipped is WN town?

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Originally Posted by monstrman
if wilv is a wolf wn is definitely not a wolf ever
That thing I said about tying people together fits in well here. I'd love to hear the reasoning on this since you have WN linked into various people in the two above.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
WAIT WAIT WAIT

DID HE JUST SHROOP THE MOST EPIC OF SHROOPS?

WHAT VILLAGER SAYS "NEUTRAL NOT A HORRIBLE MISLYNCH?"
YUPP.

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Originally Posted by Xhad
if Darthe and wilv are both wolves, Darthe propped up wilv's counterwagon, tricked me into jumping on it and then successfully laid the groundwork for you guys to mislynch me for it.



You're missing the word "not" in the original quote
Reason three THAT POST is ****. I don't feel the need to really explain how terrible this is or how horribly it fits with THAT POST but I'm gonna while using an amusing metaphor.

If we can tie the tails of two cats together and drape them over a banister then what effectively will happen is due to the butterfly effect a man will die somewhere in French Polynesia. Now I know that doesn't make sense but follow me here. One of the cats belongs to Schrodinger. Also, I'd really like it if you killed it plz.

I know guys, groundbreaking stuff here.

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Originally Posted by Xhad
you, Darthe, Redd. Redd has gotten better since then, Darthe worse.
Worse implies still town here, almost explicitly states it by the premise of this response.

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Originally Posted by grant2
Has darthe played with xhad before? Because I want to find out if this nonsense he's spewing is ever clearing meta for him.
I have not.

I'm on page 101 and have no clue how you currently didn't lynch Xhad. I'll keep reading up.
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07-13-2014 , 12:56 AM
So. Redds dead tonight. We probably lynch darthe tomorrow.

If the games not over, what's next? Opinions on things anyone? I'd particularly like to hear from you redd
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07-13-2014 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Darthe
Okay, so this is notably town. I've been looking at the wilv/xhad EoD since I was out for most of it and I think grant has some awesomely town foresight here. Examine the following:



This argument is **** for about a dozen reasons. When I reference "THAT POST" in the future know I am talking about this one.



What is leveling? I don't know the term.



A valid question. Notable reason that THAT POST was **** one. Xhad was voting wilv when he said it. This is prominent because scum loves to link themselves to people they know are going to flip town and he didn't have jack on the guy til EoD D1. It's a prominently trumped up read.

THAT POST reason two also fits well here. I don't do that whole "pick the scum in pairs/teams" thing. I don't know how it got so popular (prob scum driven) but it is a terrible way to scumhunt because it allows for shoddy clears.



Still don't know what leveling means. I'm interested in seeing it.



Not xhad/wilv together imo. Xhad is clearly trying to tie himself to wilv as I'm going to keep showing here. Now that sun flipped is WN town?



That thing I said about tying people together fits in well here. I'd love to hear the reasoning on this since you have WN linked into various people in the two above.



YUPP.



Reason three THAT POST is ****. I don't feel the need to really explain how terrible this is or how horribly it fits with THAT POST but I'm gonna while using an amusing metaphor.

If we can tie the tails of two cats together and drape them over a banister then what effectively will happen is due to the butterfly effect a man will die somewhere in French Polynesia. Now I know that doesn't make sense but follow me here. One of the cats belongs to Schrodinger. Also, I'd really like it if you killed it plz.

I know guys, groundbreaking stuff here.



Worse implies still town here, almost explicitly states it by the premise of this response.



I have not.

I'm on page 101 and have no clue how you currently didn't lynch Xhad. I'll keep reading up.
If you can make a good xhad case and convince me, I might white knight you. But right now the winning on you. You find a wolf or you die.
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07-13-2014 , 12:58 AM
Leveling is him basically saying "I'm not a wolf because that would be stupid of me to do as a wolf"
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07-13-2014 , 12:59 AM
The wim is on you*
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07-13-2014 , 01:01 AM
lol, I only skimmed but it only took about five seconds to find horrible fail logic

saying "you were a strong townread yesterday but are worse now" does not in any way imply that I still think you're a townread. keep flailing.
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07-13-2014 , 01:02 AM
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I'm on page 101 and have no clue how you currently didn't lynch Xhad
because they decided to lynch scum instead.
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07-13-2014 , 01:06 AM
Darthe is probably the lynch tomorrow

If the game isn't over gamer is a scum

WN is probably one shot vig if my logic is accurate
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07-13-2014 , 01:08 AM
If after that it still isn't over and gamer proves to be a villager, wn might be an sk. But I find that unlikely because the only possible iterations of sk come with three wolves as well, and I'm fairly certain that isn't the case
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07-13-2014 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by monstrman
If after that it still isn't over and gamer proves to be a villager, wn might be an sk. But I find that unlikely because the only possible iterations of sk come with three wolves as well, and I'm fairly certain that isn't the case
feh, I can't believe I've been misreading that this whole time

all possible setups are 3-mafia at this point:

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Known info:
-No Innocent Child (modconfirm d1)
-At least 3 vanilla town (Quarrr, Jimmy Rustle, ZomgHax)
-At least 1 vanilla goon (Sun Tzu)
-At least CC (batm - Cop)
-Some combination of V/TTT, V/T, VV/TTT, VV/T, VVV+ (3 deaths n1)

CC = Cop
CCC = Cop, 1-Shot Cop
CCCC = 2 Cops
CCCCC = 2 Cops, 1-Shot Cop

D = Doctor
DD = Doctor + 1-Shot Doctor
DDD = 2 Doctors

V = 1-Shot Vigilante
VV = Vigilante
VVV = Vigilante, 1-Shot Vigilante
VVVV = 2 Vigilantes
VVVVV = 2 Vigilantes, 1-Shot Vigilante

MM = 2 Masons

B = Roleblocker
BB = Roleblocker + 1-Shot Roleblocker
BBB = 2 Roleblockers

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
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07-13-2014 , 01:13 AM
guaranteed roleblocker too
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07-13-2014 , 01:14 AM
So its probably darthe/gamer and wn might be sk
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07-13-2014 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by monstrman
Leveling is him basically saying "I'm not a wolf because that would be stupid of me to do as a wolf"
fwiw, I think leveling would be if I said: "I wouldn't do that as a wolf because it would make me look like an obvious wolf." If we were talking about some play that is dumb as town, but smart as wolf if and only if I could get away with it, I'd understand the argument and certainly would have been less indignant about it.

In the case where wilv is town, it was more like "I wouldn't do that as a wolf because wtf is the point even." Zero people have ever answered that question even when asked point-blank when they were trying to lynch me for it.
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07-13-2014 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Xhad
if I get a vig daykill and wilv is town for some reason I think grant or wn. if I don't know what wilv is but I'm prohibited from aiming at him...probably wn anyway? He's gut-feels combined with PoE. I feel like any suspicion I have on Darthe/Gamer is almost entirely predicated on wilv being a wolf; if he's not I think they're probably villagers who just aggroed me for making a mistake (even if it's a mistake they basically talked me into...argh).
How is this remotely a valid line of reasoning? Reason THAT POST sucks number four. Common scum tactic #73, claim something as defense and later use it as offfense. You said that for you to be wolf wilv had to be aka defensive linking, and now say that nearly your entire read on me/gamer is predicated on wilv being wolf, aka offensive linking. The two are entirely mutually exclusive arguments so long as you know your own alignment and thus can't be simultaneously argued.

^That alone is more reasoning for a lynch than I have seen about anyone currently alive in game.

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Originally Posted by Xhad
oh, I do remember something else about Sun Tzu that pinged me:

at one point he said I was wolfy for only talking about mechanics. At this point I'd started the leading wagon twice, and had wilv's wagon leading at the time. That's the kind of slip that says "not actually reading the thread, just trying to find something (allegedly) suspicious in the last couple posts"
And ****. Without Xhad I don't think this Sun Tzu lynch would have happened at all. That puts a huge damper on my read of him which is no bueno atm.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
I'd rather shoot a wolf than a villager

at this point the likeliest second wolf to me is probably in

sun tzu/darthe
How did this come about? I, without any reasoning that I have seen on thread or in your reads, have popped up CONSTANTLY as a wolf read of yours in the past 2 dozen pages or so. It's like you suddenly took your read on me and arbitrarily reversed it.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
if xhad flips villager darthe coasted the **** out of this lynch and needs to be second wagon no matter what tomorrow.
Wut? I slept at night, woke up and had an impromptu visit from the GF (who isn't so happy that I have been online for the past half hour MQing instead of cuddling). Can't help that life happens.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
I'm seriously considering a darthe/sun wolfteam
Still hate this kind of thing but for like the third time I'll ask why?

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Originally Posted by well named
i'm still not actually caring at all about redd supposedly being the vig but the instantaneous reaction from xhad is supah good

I also feel like wilv's reads and stuff make it seem like he's not just a slanky wolf, where if he were he'd just go on slanking rather than posting thoughts that seem pretty legitimate

that's why I'm back on redd

I get why people are going after sun and I'm not sure I can really clear him but I don't think being absent is actually wolf tell for him here

I have actually been tinfoiling a bit on darthe today but I'm not sure exactly why. I guess just worrying that there's a certain facade he's putting up, which I took as villagery, but it may not be for him? that and just feeling like he's cruising today
Redd would be a terrible lynch and I've been saying that since D1. I'm mainly quoting this post to point out how good it looks on WN and that he has a good point about Xhad.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
it could be sun/redd
NO. NO NONONONO. Just stahp.

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Originally Posted by well named
I don't really think sun is a wolf. like at all
This is slightly good on WN. The timing is a bit off for it to get him incredible town cred (a bit early imo) but it's still not a risk I see scum taking much.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
possible wolfteams

redd/sun

redd/darthe

darthe/sun

grant/someone

wilv???
=/ post game we are going to have a talk about these. Also this post looks fake, mainly because you've taken three people and made every potential combo out of them. It's lazy lynch pushing.

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Originally Posted by ReddBoiler
Hard claim I'm village big


sun tzu
Hmm. Don't see how anyone could doubt Red. Shouldn't have been necessary anyhow.

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Originally Posted by Gamer Dude
That was an excellent CFD and monstr should get a lot of credit for that even though he didn't end up on it.

Redd looks good for starting it but that doesn't eliminate him grom being SK

Me and WN look bad for resisting the Sun lynch but ultimate lynched him which at least grabs us some villa points

I'd suggest to the vig resolving wilv tonight. Seems like the best play imo.
IMO you look okay during that EOD. I didn't see resisting a lynch in that instance as scummy, especially if this is a 2 scum game where they would likely need the cover once they realized their teammate was going down.

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Originally Posted by monstrman
Final wolf is in darthe/gamer/wn/wilv probably
You may have it with this. I think you have them listed in order from town to scum too though to be fair I am a bit biased.
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07-13-2014 , 01:23 AM
btw I was going to say I was still hoping for gamer/wilv for the epic "I told you so," but the wall of terrible logic/cherrypicks + vanishing is 100% scum play in my experience
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07-13-2014 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by monstrman
So its probably darthe/gamer and wn might be sk
This is base logic. How do we remotely tie in to this?
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07-13-2014 , 01:24 AM
but then that last post is good so idk
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