Do you mean wilv?

Looking at the remaining playerlist, it's looking more and more like the reason I tunneled wilv is that he's actually a wolf and you guys keep not lynching him

Darthe for wolf #2, grant for sk but I hope there isn't one

Do this odds weird but I think you may be right about grant not being town. Nothing against his play here he is just getting locked out by being utterly unexceptional in this situation. Tbh it is mainly gut.

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Q: If there is a serial killer, how does he win?

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I got no sleep also

so, which one of those is the nightkill? looking again I'm baffled

ok, I think I got it

if Redd is mafia somehow, he sniped well named for being the only person seriously suspecting him, while vig hit gamer based on some tinfoiling. Otherwise, mafia probably shot gamer as he put in a good eod showing yesterday and someone else hit well named for his attempted redd wagon yesterday

I still believe all the stuff I said yesterday about letting the real vig take care of Redd if Redd is not-vig. Otherwise I'm considering him confirmed town.

IMO Redd isn't scum ever in this situation. As you just said he would be gone right now. The only thing I could possibly see for him is SK which isn't likely still. I'm certainly not playing to it when an SK existing means we've already lost.

A pair of masons right now would be so clutch.

I think it's also significant that the only person who openly disbelieved Redd's vig claim flipped vanilla. If we had vig #2 i think he would be skeptical

so we prob have an sk and it's prob not Redd

Redd is unclaimed cc

At this point it's probably must lynch guys

I'm a vanillager

so darthe, how do you explain my d1 switchvote if wilv is town and I am wolf?

because if you can't, I think you more-or-less have to vote wilv just by PoE

reminder, guaranteed 2 wolves, probable SK

^No duh, IMO our pool today is grant, wilv, x in that order. I can't tinfoil X into the forefront there and I don't have much reason to. Grant is pure gut so if someone has case-worthy evidence for a read I'm game.

I've all but decided I'm not voting monstr either

darthe, wilv, grant. Those are my realistic votes.

Also well named was > rand shot by redd

btw I'm 100% serious about reading grant as specifically SK

double ninjad.

TBH X I am sorta dumb about this whole "if this person goes this way about this then we can assume that it clears this person unless the original person is also scum based on this logic" sorta thing. Like I said before, and even gave one of my scum games so you all could see where I play at, this shiz is beyond me a bit in terms of subtlety so I simply don't do those associative reads.

You, on your own merit to me and devoid of relationship to the alignment of others (which I still find to be a scummy POV) are a really muddled read. Sometimes you're town, sometimes not. ATM muddled isn't a great place to be, thus I am wary and maybe a bit openly suspect on occasion.

mafia didn't roleblock him? remember, we know they have one

I think it's more likely sk was aiming for wolves and failed since well named tried to lynch an obvious town

We will find out when he gets here. I agree though.

He did push him all last night. You could be right, more likely this than an NK in any case, but then why not kill him?

if mafia gets the lynch vote sk autoloses, and they've been dangerously close to getting it. Even now, sk really wants mafia dead (hence my "honorary vig! honorary vig!" last night). If there is an sk that figures:

-Redd is town vig
-Redd is getting roleblocked and/or mafia killed
-well named is mafia

then stabbing well named makes sense

Okay, gotcha. What does that mean for us today?

I think it means we decide whether we want an sk around or not and then lynch wilv or grant

Also notable is that if you're wrong on WILV this now sets you up to almost certainly get a bullet from essentially everyone tonight unless you're mafia.

The above makes me trust Xhad a lot more today.

SK dies, go into night, mafia has NK and maybe an RB (probably) so they NK someone for the win and at best town vig has a 50/50 assuming no RB (which is a stretch and will be cleared up when redd gets in).

Mafia dies, go into night, shoot out, could be game over with an wolf/sk win, could be 2town 1 maf/sk or both even or it could be something else that plays similarly. Town still has a chance.

Like I said, if there's an SK we can't play to them right now or we've already lost.