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Old 07-11-2020, 11:12 AM   #2801
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Re: [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020

Thx for game benneh!

And if anyone ever feels like running a vanilla or smallish v+ on a whim you can likely count me in

I know games aren't running as often here anymore so I'd be there if players needed!

I know some ppl say 36/12 games are town*sided however I feel it gives the opportunity for players with all timezones a shot at getting good thread time.. so I'd definitely be in for those type of games too

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Old 07-11-2020, 11:13 AM   #2802
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Re: [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020

Iím so sorry to hear that books
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Old 07-11-2020, 11:19 AM   #2803
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Thank you to Manasi for subbing for me and Benneh for modding.

Just after my last post in this game I learned that my twin brother died unexpectedly. We are not young, but not old either (47) so it was a shock. He had health problems, but more the type of problems you think might catch up to you in fifteen years.

I am sure I will get another chance to be a wolf, but there is no way I pull off the fake seer, get the real seer lynched move that Manasi did.
Omg books, I'm so sorry to hear that. All my love man
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Old 07-11-2020, 11:23 AM   #2804
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Re: [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020

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Thank you to Manasi for subbing for me and Benneh for modding.

Just after my last post in this game I learned that my twin brother died unexpectedly. We are not young, but not old either (47) so it was a shock. He had health problems, but more the type of problems you think might catch up to you in fifteen years.

I am sure I will get another chance to be a wolf, but there is no way I pull off the fake seer, get the real seer lynched move that Manasi did.
I'm so sorry for your loss wdcbooks [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020[Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:07 PM   #2805
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Very sorry to hear that wdcbooks

My condolences to you and your family
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:10 PM   #2806
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Re: [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020

I was railing this game, it was mostly fun to watch

I mostly wanted to chime in on the whole seer/seer cover thing because it’s something I’ve had pretty strong feelings about forever, but due to certain meta game elements never wanted to fully share when I was playing.

The key to leaving decent seer cover is self awareness, and then applying it back in a circular fashion. Understand how you generally play as a villager and try to play almost exactly like that if you are ever seer. Then, when you are a villager, simply play the game as normal but be very conscious about word choice - if you’re leaving a fake peek make an unqualified statement about someone’s role and make that the only unqualified statement you make. It’s subtle enough wolves (and villagers) will probably miss it real time but it should be identifiable once you are killed.

Lastly since you are a villager much more than a seer you should choose your peeks as seer to match your village game not the other way around. The key is live peeks, so you should ideally peek people like me (almost never voted off as a villager, not nightkilled like a superstar early by wolf teams, readable but not so easy to read I always hard clear myself, capable of surviving to endgame as a wolf at times).

The names of who fits that mold change over time, but the concept doesn’t. Frankly I was always stunned that nobody ever seemed to figure out that during most of my time playing I was probably the best or one of the best seer peeks possible yet I almost never actually got peeked.
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:12 PM   #2807
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Books - I’m so sorry to hear about your brother. My sincerest condolences to you and your family
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:15 PM   #2808
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I think the reason a lot of people are bad at leaving seer cover is that they think they are supposed to play a different game as a seer than as a villager, and then contort themselves into trying to “look” like a seer when they are a villager. This is bad seer play and bad villager play both
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:17 PM   #2809
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Re: [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020

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Strength to you and your family
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Old 07-11-2020, 12:59 PM   #2810
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I'm super sorry to hear this as well Books. My heart goes out to you.
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Old 07-11-2020, 01:04 PM   #2811
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Re: [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020

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I was railing this game, it was mostly fun to watch

I mostly wanted to chime in on the whole seer/seer cover thing because itís something Iíve had pretty strong feelings about forever, but due to certain meta game elements never wanted to fully share when I was playing.

The key to leaving decent seer cover is self awareness, and then applying it back in a circular fashion. Understand how you generally play as a villager and try to play almost exactly like that if you are ever seer. Then, when you are a villager, simply play the game as normal but be very conscious about word choice - if youíre leaving a fake peek make an unqualified statement about someoneís role and make that the only unqualified statement you make. Itís subtle enough wolves (and villagers) will probably miss it real time but it should be identifiable once you are killed.

Lastly since you are a villager much more than a seer you should choose your peeks as seer to match your village game not the other way around. The key is live peeks, so you should ideally peek people like me (almost never voted off as a villager, not nightkilled like a superstar early by wolf teams, readable but not so easy to read I always hard clear myself, capable of surviving to endgame as a wolf at times).

The names of who fits that mold change over time, but the concept doesnít. Frankly I was always stunned that nobody ever seemed to figure out that during most of my time playing I was probably the best or one of the best seer peeks possible yet I almost never actually got peeked.
This, plus the fact I had just watched nichp wolf as the mod and felt like I could reasonably clear him was why I tried to "peek" him. But I either overplayed it or the wolves insta-ruled me out when I didn't claim as I got so close to being lynched.


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Old 07-11-2020, 02:11 PM   #2812
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Re: [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020

I think there is a lot of results-orientedness going on about the fake seer play in this game. Should it have been the case that three different people were all peeking Toedder? Perhaps spreading it out a little bit better would have been wiser. We just got unlucky that he was a wolf though.
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Old 07-11-2020, 02:22 PM   #2813
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I think there is a lot of results-orientedness going on about the fake seer play in this game. Should it have been the case that three different people were all peeking Toedder? Perhaps spreading it out a little bit better would have been wiser. We just got unlucky that he was a wolf though.
i've never been a fan of that style of seer cover for that exact reason though

people don't really think about who they would/should actually peek, it always has to be a villager, you're stuck justifying potentially shitty reads, etc., and when you pick a wolf, you're doing the opposite of providing cover
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Old 07-11-2020, 02:55 PM   #2814
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Gg all. Thanks for the shoutouts VR, you played great yourself. I dont feel like I actually played that well. I was sincere that everyone felt villagery the whole game and it was really hard to call someone out as being wolfy. he only reason I ended up pushing toedder so hard, because either the wolves were playing REALLY well, or we were just bickering amongst ourselves.

I honestly thought Eric was a villager and I think he played a really solid wolf game d1. I dont know if I could have pulled the trigger on sun at f3 if it came to it, but VR and nicholas were doing a good job of clearing themselves last night.

Again, gg all, and thanks to the subs of course

And learn to seer cover better ��
When I thought about f3, nich and vr both said they would vote me over anyone else and that they had each other as clearest. Ok so obviously killing you and going to f3 with both of them is suicide. But if I kill either of them to take you to f3, all they have to do is point out that wolf vr never kills nich or vice versa and I'm pretty sure you would pull the trigger on me.

I thought things looked pretty good when nich was saying I was top of his village but once he reassessed that read and swapped me with vr, I had no more outs.

I considered the hail mary play of killing you and then playing the angle of wolf me would obv never choose that f3 but in my experience that angle never works.
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Old 07-11-2020, 03:02 PM   #2815
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Re: [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020

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I was railing this game, it was mostly fun to watch

I mostly wanted to chime in on the whole seer/seer cover thing because itís something Iíve had pretty strong feelings about forever, but due to certain meta game elements never wanted to fully share when I was playing.

The key to leaving decent seer cover is self awareness, and then applying it back in a circular fashion. Understand how you generally play as a villager and try to play almost exactly like that if you are ever seer. Then, when you are a villager, simply play the game as normal but be very conscious about word choice - if youíre leaving a fake peek make an unqualified statement about someoneís role and make that the only unqualified statement you make. Itís subtle enough wolves (and villagers) will probably miss it real time but it should be identifiable once you are killed.

Lastly since you are a villager much more than a seer you should choose your peeks as seer to match your village game not the other way around. The key is live peeks, so you should ideally peek people like me (almost never voted off as a villager, not nightkilled like a superstar early by wolf teams, readable but not so easy to read I always hard clear myself, capable of surviving to endgame as a wolf at times).

The names of who fits that mold change over time, but the concept doesnít. Frankly I was always stunned that nobody ever seemed to figure out that during most of my time playing I was probably the best or one of the best seer peeks possible yet I almost never actually got peeked.
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Old 07-11-2020, 03:04 PM   #2816
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Re: [Game thread] 13er Vanilla werewolf 7/6/2020

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Thank you to Manasi for subbing for me and Benneh for modding.

Just after my last post in this game I learned that my twin brother died unexpectedly. We are not young, but not old either (47) so it was a shock. He had health problems, but more the type of problems you think might catch up to you in fifteen years.

I am sure I will get another chance to be a wolf, but there is no way I pull off the fake seer, get the real seer lynched move that Manasi did.
that's brutal. Sorry to hear that.
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Old 07-11-2020, 06:05 PM   #2817
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Super curious manasi if you actually had guessed or if you thought I was just an easy misshun.
it was a mix of a few things - as sun said our seer POE was pretty narrow given all of the toedder peeks and after N2 you kept mentioning w/w wagons so I figured there was a non-zero chance of you having a wolf peek on me.

took me some balls to come up with the claim and figure out which peeks made sense but it was an adrenaline rush the whole time

thanks sun for subbing in it was nice having a wolf chat for a night <3
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Old 07-11-2020, 06:37 PM   #2818
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it was a mix of a few things - as sun said our seer POE was pretty narrow given all of the toedder peeks and after N2 you kept mentioning w/w wagons so I figured there was a non-zero chance of you having a wolf peek on me.



took me some balls to come up with the claim and figure out which peeks made sense but it was an adrenaline rush the whole time



thanks sun for subbing in it was nice having a wolf chat for a night <3
It sure did. Great play and nice game!
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