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02-06-2017 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
I can remember 5 times off the top of my head where she has been personally attacked when it had no point in the argument of the thread.

You really did not read the thread closely, if you want to say she is playing the victim card.
I never said that everybody was being nice to her.

Her point: "I'm facing overwhelming odds, and a large majority are personally against me"

Then I tried telling her how a lot of people have been on her side and her point is completely false.

??? Not sure VMF is serious
02-06-2017 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
and not like it isn't obvious that you're making emotional appeals to avoid questions like:

what changed over the last few days?
what is your ultimate goal here?
(wrt this competition)
I think peoples positions shifted from trying to change the way it operates to either removing it, or replacing it
02-06-2017 , 04:25 AM
still making emotion appeals and avoiding simple questions. sad!

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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
I think peoples positions shifted from trying to change the way it operates to either removing it, or replacing it
PM your master for talking points
02-06-2017 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
I just wanted to point it out so you can improve on seeing the situation for what it really is.
Lol
02-06-2017 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
I never said that everybody was being nice to her.

Her point: "I'm facing overwhelming odds, and a large majority are personally against me"

Then I tried telling her how a lot of people have been on her side and her point is completely false.

??? Not sure VMF is serious
You said she was making up a reality in her head and playing the victim card and that people are not insulting her and you just asked what her position even were. Are you mindlessly taking a side or did you read the thread and do not understand english well?
02-06-2017 , 04:27 AM
How can people argue like VMF?

Talks about something that has nothing to do with my question/logic, then tries to tear me down with the off topic non-sense.
02-06-2017 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
How can people argue like VMF?
i prolly will get banned if i answer that
02-06-2017 , 04:29 AM
Please quote me saying that she never had opposition.

I said she is using hyperbole, and then acting like it's reality.

There has been large support for CN and the taking down/changing Ms POG.

How is my point invalid???
02-06-2017 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
How can people argue like VMF?

Talks about something that has nothing to do with my question/logic, then tries to tear me down with the off topic non-sense.
just wait and see how he plays a werewolf game
02-06-2017 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
still making emotion appeals and avoiding simple questions. sad!
Emotional, I forgot that one

Good job, 72!
02-06-2017 , 04:33 AM
still avoiding answering simple questions, so what else am i supposed to say?
02-06-2017 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
Please quote me saying that she never had opposition.

I said she is using hyperbole, and then acting like it's reality.

There has been large support for CN and the taking down/changing Ms POG.

How is my point invalid???
I think you are making up a reality in your head to play the good guy. Maybe you should reread your post and reconsider your sanity. I am worried for you.
02-06-2017 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
still avoiding answering simple questions, so what else am i supposed to say?
I answered you. It seems people shifted from trying to change the game to something more inclusive, to either changing or getting rid of it if no interest exists.

That is how I see positions changed and what the ultimate goal is.
02-06-2017 , 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
i prolly will get banned if i answer that
lets be real

you are pretty much never getting banned
02-06-2017 , 04:35 AM
I wonder how this is going to be resolved. The mods said they wanted some dialogue, and while there hasn't been much, a lot of people chimed in. Are they going to count opinions? How does this work now?
02-06-2017 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
still avoiding answering simple questions, so what else am i supposed to say?
I haven't avoided any questions. No idea what you're talking about, beyond furthering the false narrative du jour.
02-06-2017 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by gambit8888
lets be real

you are pretty much never getting banned
Who hasn't been real about this? Everyone knows he can do whatever he wants. He's currently doing it.
02-06-2017 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by UncleDynamite
I wonder how this is going to be resolved. The mods said they wanted some dialogue, and while there hasn't been much, a lot of people chimed in. Are they going to count opinions? How does this work now?
the mods seem split, the malcontents don't seem willing to defend their position or offer solutions, so yeah good question
02-06-2017 , 04:42 AM
Is VR a malcontent now?

The position has been defended, and the solution was offered. Nothing has changed from the first posts.

You're not a big proponent of honest discourse, obviously, but calling VR a malcontent is pretty laughable.

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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
What a silly post. Crossnerd opened discussion of this topic in the Miss POG nominations thread, and another forum member, ArcticKnight, requested that the discussion continue in another thread. Crossnerd concurred. The thread was created.

Does the person that created it have an opinion on the topic? Yes, but the thread was specifically created based on member feedback. Complaining that a green started it would be like complaining that someone requested to have their thread locked and MonkeyBanana locked it.

The truth is, of course, that Miss POG is unapologetically sexist and always has been. Your post makes me think that you don't want to defend it on that basis, so you decided to attack the OP of the thread.

I've campaigned enthusiastically in Miss POG in the past. I think beautiful women, as a gender, are on the whole better looking than beautiful men, and I can appreciate female beauty and sexiness, even as a straight female. That doesn't change the fact that if I'm honest, Miss POG is the forum equivalent of a wet t-shirt contest. As a woman, I avoid bars with wet t-shirt contests and would immediately leave if I accidentally entered one because 1) I would be horribly uncomfortable and 2) I think they feed into an atmosphere that is both hostile toward and dangerous to women.

Also, dismissing Crossnerd's real concerns as "political correctness gone mad" epitomizes everything I dislike about the anti-pc contingent. As Miss Manners says, attempting to avoid giving offense when interacting with others is merely minimal civility.

About 15 years ago, some people in our society decided that the more powerful people in our society being willfully rude and insensitive toward the less powerful people in our society was somehow appropriate, because attempting to display sensitivity toward the less powerful was "being politically correct." Those of us that see through the laughably transparent reframing that had to take place for this to happen keep patiently waiting for people to "get it", but so far society has let us down.

I think it's disappointing that some people not only brushed aside CN's concerns but then supported nominating a porn star. I can assure you of one thing: no woman is ever going to feel welcomed in a message board that chooses to represent itself a woman whose highest accomplishment is her gaping ******* and her wilingness to display it.

CN didn't ask to abolish Miss POG, she just asked for an expansion of the criteria...one that might lead to a Miss POG that all the members of the forum can be proud of. It certainly seems like a reasonable and overdue request to me...that is if you actually WANT women to participate in the forum. If what you want is a boys club, well, you're well on your way to having one.
Personally, I find VR to be 100x the quality of you, so if she's in my corner, I'm more than content.
02-06-2017 , 04:45 AM
I think both sides have defended their position (well, some people did, some didn't) while saying the opposite sides really hasn't. I am definitely not trying to be a "neutral voice of reason" (I know I am neither) but this has pretty much run its course and it's time for the mods to say something. There are 8 pages of opinions out there.
02-06-2017 , 04:45 AM
none taken
02-06-2017 , 04:47 AM
miss pog is objectifying women. i thought everyone(or almost everyone) agreed on that.

there is a large group of us who find that offensive and hurtful.

that's the issue. it's not about if a green mod started the thread. it's not about if crossnerd is a jerk. it's not about if a bunch of us are white knights. it's not about the politics thread.
02-06-2017 , 04:49 AM
I would demod MB. Quick with the nazi trigger itt. Again threatening domer only because domer keeps exposing him as a fraud. Mod UD who might get these lone wolf mods playing popovichian team ball again. Whatever this is obviously isn't working. Don't remove the politics thread, don't remove stuff just because and be chill. Then pull a power move and declare war on Thingys website and make POG great again.
02-06-2017 , 04:50 AM
Judgement of any kind is now objectifying

Damn, I was ignorant for so long!
02-06-2017 , 04:50 AM
Its obvious what the decision is imo.

Kruze wants to keep it, even if he says he doesn't care.

Monte is luke warm in every direction.

Gambit is still mad at me for calling the Wild West game sexist.

MonkeyBanana is alone in his efforts to make Pog a better place for women, and will have to weather slings, arrows, and an uphill battle to change it.

If we're taking bets, I'll lay my money on Miss Pog stays in exactly its current form in the name of "free speech" (even though hate speech is not protected, not even in Trumpland) or some other weak bull****.

Hey, if you can't say it to black people or gay people, at least you'll always be able to say it to women. Amirite?

      
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