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02-06-2017 , 03:52 AM
And congrats on the superb owl vmf
02-06-2017 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by insanity31
And congrats on the superb owl vmf
man thanks, big win, i had a huge swing on it, like 4-5 g

never give up
02-06-2017 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
It says in domers OP to not even nominate porn stars to not turn it into Miss Porn Star
seems as though that related to having sfw pics in which to campaign with, but obv reading comprehension isn't your strong suit
02-06-2017 , 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by insanity31
Nah, I'm talking about the other thread and no one actually having a problem with your nominations. I thought that was pretty clear. Benneh asked why your position changed, you gave an answer, then I questioned the validity of your answer. It's all in the post you just responded to.
I've been questioned as a liar in this thread more times than I can count now.. I'm kind of done entertaining it.

The nomination thread dismissed the idea both directly in someone telling me that nobody was going to vote for unattractive women, and in largely ignoring me except to post some joke votes.

I get that this whole thing is just a lets-all-try-our-best to-discredit-Crossnerd contest, but lets just assume for a second that I'm telling the truth, and that VR is telling the truth, and that people who agree with us aren't white knighting or trolling. I know this is practically unimaginable for many people here, but its actually the likeliest answer. You guys play poker, right?
02-06-2017 , 04:00 AM
ive always knew something was wrong with ms pog and beauty contests. at first i just thought they were not gentleman like to participate in, at best

now, i see the possible damage it could do, or how it can be off putting, and i dont see the value it really brings vs a regular person of the year contest
02-06-2017 , 04:02 AM
I am not going to get into replying to people after this. The issue is of little importance to me, I am just giving an impartial opinion. If you find yourself objecting to that then you need to ask yourself why.

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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
weird diceman, not sure how anything is being done by force when we have a 7 page thread started by a moderator

Monkey started the thread, and I have the most posts. You along with many other people have singled her out.
I have not singled her out for any reason other than she is the one who started the discussion. Anyone else who objected did not voice an opinion before this so it was clearly not that big of a deal to them.

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Originally Posted by insanity31
And congrats on the superb owl vmf
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Diceman, I haven't been attacking anyone and I haven't made any threats.

The only people making attacks and threats are the people threatened by a discussion thread. I didn't ask for this thread to be made, and I didn't ask for Miss Pog to be banned. I made the perfectly reasonable request that we forego sexist content on this forum.

And if I choose to leave, it will not be "giving up".
Saying that you will leave is a threat even if you never intended it to be one. There are a lot of people here that enjoy having you around and the thought of you leaving is more likely to bring them round to your way of thinking.

As to "sexist content" that is subjective and not something I want to get into as it is late and I have been drinking and I would rather not overly rustle any jimmies.
02-06-2017 , 04:03 AM
So diceman, you think protesting/boycotting a forum is = to using force?
02-06-2017 , 04:05 AM
Benneh has been the Tom Brady(aka Super Bowl MVP and leader of the 2017 NFL Champion Patriots) of this thread. One of the only reasonable posters so far.

Also to CrossNerd;

Can you tell me exactly what about the contest really grinds your gears? Is it because a lot of men are judging women? or something else?

You've probably already answered this, but there's 600+ post and I'm lazy.
02-06-2017 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by thediceman
Saying that you will leave is a threat even if you never intended it to be one. There are a lot of people here that enjoy having you around and the thought of you leaving is more likely to bring them round to your way of thinking.
Wtf are you talking about? The thread has literally been overwhelmingly and unquestionably negative toward me.

By your standards, I'm either not allowed to leave a place I no longer find acceptable, or if I do, I should shut the **** up about it. Anything else is a threat.
02-06-2017 , 04:09 AM
like, the malcontents are gonna be happy if it pivots to a "Person of the Year" contest that ends up being won by some random instagram whore?
(like almost happened last year)

or each matchup is gonna become some weird ideological battle between people voting for beauty vs "value"?
the malcontents would be fine if a pornstar won?

or are we talking about shutting the whole thing down?
might as well just go for the whole enchilada
02-06-2017 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
Also to CrossNerd;

Can you tell me exactly what about the contest really grinds your gears? Is it because a lot of men are judging women? or something else?

You've probably already answered this, but there's 600+ post and I'm lazy.
Since the messenger is apparently as important, if not more important, than the message to a vast number of people here, I'll just quote this for you. It seems like a reasonable summary.

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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
What a silly post. Crossnerd opened discussion of this topic in the Miss POG nominations thread, and another forum member, ArcticKnight, requested that the discussion continue in another thread. Crossnerd concurred. The thread was created.

Does the person that created it have an opinion on the topic? Yes, but the thread was specifically created based on member feedback. Complaining that a green started it would be like complaining that someone requested to have their thread locked and MonkeyBanana locked it.

The truth is, of course, that Miss POG is unapologetically sexist and always has been. Your post makes me think that you don't want to defend it on that basis, so you decided to attack the OP of the thread.

I've campaigned enthusiastically in Miss POG in the past. I think beautiful women, as a gender, are on the whole better looking than beautiful men, and I can appreciate female beauty and sexiness, even as a straight female. That doesn't change the fact that if I'm honest, Miss POG is the forum equivalent of a wet t-shirt contest. As a woman, I avoid bars with wet t-shirt contests and would immediately leave if I accidentally entered one because 1) I would be horribly uncomfortable and 2) I think they feed into an atmosphere that is both hostile toward and dangerous to women.

Also, dismissing Crossnerd's real concerns as "political correctness gone mad" epitomizes everything I dislike about the anti-pc contingent. As Miss Manners says, attempting to avoid giving offense when interacting with others is merely minimal civility.

About 15 years ago, some people in our society decided that the more powerful people in our society being willfully rude and insensitive toward the less powerful people in our society was somehow appropriate, because attempting to display sensitivity toward the less powerful was "being politically correct." Those of us that see through the laughably transparent reframing that had to take place for this to happen keep patiently waiting for people to "get it", but so far society has let us down.

I think it's disappointing that some people not only brushed aside CN's concerns but then supported nominating a porn star. I can assure you of one thing: no woman is ever going to feel welcomed in a message board that chooses to represent itself a woman whose highest accomplishment is her gaping ******* and her wilingness to display it.

CN didn't ask to abolish Miss POG, she just asked for an expansion of the criteria...one that might lead to a Miss POG that all the members of the forum can be proud of. It certainly seems like a reasonable and overdue request to me...that is if you actually WANT women to participate in the forum. If what you want is a boys club, well, you're well on your way to having one.
02-06-2017 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
I've been questioned as a liar in this thread more times than I can count now.. I'm kind of done entertaining it.

The nomination thread dismissed the idea both directly in someone telling me that nobody was going to vote for unattractive women, and in largely ignoring me except to post some joke votes.

I get that this whole thing is just a lets-all-try-our-best to-discredit-Crossnerd contest, but lets just assume for a second that I'm telling the truth, and that VR is telling the truth, and that people who agree with us aren't white knighting or trolling. I know this is practically unimaginable for many people here, but its actually the likeliest answer. You guys play poker, right?
Wasn't calling you a liar, just thought you may have misremembered since it's been a few days. I forgot what happened. That's why I just checked.

And plenty of nominations have been largely ignored iirc. Either this year or in years past. Seems like some don't nominate people they've never heard of.
02-06-2017 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
like, the malcontents are gonna be happy if it pivots to a "Person of the Year" contest that ends up being won by some random instagram whore?
(like almost happened last year)

or each matchup is gonna become some weird ideological battle between people voting for beauty vs "value"?
the malcontents would be fine if a pornstar won?

or are we talking about shutting the whole thing down?
might as well just go for the whole enchilada
I dont know, you guys already said it wasnt about beauty, that it was about their accomplishments and stuff
02-06-2017 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
By your standards, I'm either not allowed to leave a place I no longer find acceptable, or if I do, I should shut the **** up about it.
who is saying that you aren't entitled to your opinion?

definitely not the same thing as saying that you aren't entitled to get your way always
02-06-2017 , 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Crossnerd
Wtf are you talking about? The thread has literally been overwhelmingly and unquestionably negative toward me.
This isn't true. Just go and read the first page of the thread again.

You saying this makes me think you are either, delusional or a troll.

1.) You are making yourself out to be some kind of victim in your mind, instead of actually looking at the entire situation. You've had a good amount of support and maybe unintentionally you've created this false reality. Not trying to hurt your feelings, but I think saying something so inaccurate really hurts your side of the debate.

2.) Just a troll thread, and I fell for the prank.
02-06-2017 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 72off
who is saying that you aren't entitled to your opinion?

definitely not the same thing as saying that you aren't entitled to get your way always
I assume that, as a man, you'll tell me exactly what I am and am not entitled to. Thanks.
02-06-2017 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
This isn't true. Just go and read the first page of the thread again.

You saying this makes me think you are either, delusional or a troll.

1.) You are making yourself out to be some kind of victim in your mind, instead of actually looking at the entire situation. You've had a good amount of support and maybe unintentionally you've created this false reality. Not trying to hurt your feelings, but I think saying something so inaccurate really hurts your side of the debate.

2.) Just a troll thread, and I fell for the prank.
I really think your reading comprehension failed you. Monkey started the thread. Cross didnt ask for this thread or make people call her out.
02-06-2017 , 04:18 AM
Benjamin, if you want to think its a troll thread, go right ahead. Its easier for most of you to stomach than the alternative, I guess.

I've given zero reason for my sincerity or character to be questioned in this, both of which have been done ad nauseum at this point. I'm not victimizing myself by saying I think the personal attacks made against me have been wholly unwarranted in this instance, or noting that the people making them have received NO backlash from the community other than domer eating a 1 day temp from a mod. I'm not whining about it, because I don't think the people doing it are really worth being upset over, but to act like its not happening is a misrepresentation on your part, not mine.

I appreciate the "delusional" part of your post, though. It wouldn't be a truly sexist thread without bringing out the "bat **** crazy" and "delusional" memes.
02-06-2017 , 04:18 AM
nah, it def ain't up to me either, that's just like my opinion man

and i'm not ever entitled to get what i want either, sometimes it happens, most times it doesn't, that's life
02-06-2017 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
I really think your reading comprehension failed you. Monkey started the thread. Cross didnt ask for this thread or make people call her out.
When did I say she ever started this thread?

CN is on the same side as MB

??? "confused face"
02-06-2017 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BenjaminAO
When did I say she ever started this thread?

CN is on the same side as MB

??? "confused face"
I can remember 5 times off the top of my head where she has been personally attacked when it had no point in the argument of the thread.

You really did not read the thread closely, if you want to say she is playing the victim card.
02-06-2017 , 04:22 AM
I don't think it's a troll thread, was a joke, but you focusing on that part of my post is wolfy.

My first point is serious, and it's exactly what you've done. I just wanted to point it out so you can improve on seeing the situation for what it really is.
02-06-2017 , 04:22 AM
Your post is a borderline gaslight Benjamin, you even had to ask her position 15 posts ago
02-06-2017 , 04:23 AM
and not like it isn't obvious that you're making emotional appeals to avoid questions like:

what changed over the last few days?
what is your ultimate goal here?
(wrt this competition)
02-06-2017 , 04:24 AM
Still waiting on "hysterical" and "on her period". Sad!

      
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