Ah yes, the divide-and-conquer tactic again. You lack imagination.

no need to resort to insults. think you will probably get banned for this. you have no need to be mad about this

its a stupid contest and its getting called out and your homie domer ran it and you guys dont like just giving up

Seeing as how neither of us play WW anymore on this site anyways, I am not sure what was gained. But if it makes you feel better, K

ya but come on, you know harsh criticism happens. im not gonna bother looking for it... but its a beauty contest. people say mean things

how about if i just agree to stay out of se? would that get you to stay out of miss pog?

i remember enjoying playing with you in ww

My God, CN, this defender of women phony schtick is getting into the nauseating territory now.

I think crossnerds post to karmarein was very true. If the same sentiments were expressed against gays or blacks, there would be no debate. But apparently it's okay if it's women. Some do not even feel it's sexist, which at least implies a difference in opinion between them and women.

No one has really been willing to address the views anti but I suppose that's to be expected. Instead several posters have met those views with aggression. Not really a huge surprise there either. The idea of dialogue and compromise is probably wishful for this forum though.

domer should just be like

hmm yeah. it seems my idea, was in poor taste based on plenty of peoples positions. i guess i will just close this down and bow out.

its really not a big deal dude. its really a waste of time in which you really can not gain much discussion worthy of happening

Those were the conditions under which I would feel the contest would be amenable. They were rejected. Thats what happened.

Try again, benneh.

Nobody is arguing to ban the thread on all of 2p2. This is not a goshdarn freedom of speech issue

The women's forum is different because it's called a women's forum and was created specifically to give women a place to get away from all the broing out

The fact that poker and 2+2 are already male-dominated spaces and so we should not make any effort to include women is circular reasoning

The fact that there are female-dominated spaces elsewhere in life is irrelevant, the same issues apply

Having some spaces for broing out and some spaces for whatever it is women do amongst themselves (I imagine pillow fights and make-out practicing) is OK. Having almost everywhere be like that, and calling people fascists for wanting to tone it down, is lame

Ultimately this is not a democracy and it's up to the owners of the site, who from what I understand leave most content decisions to the mods, so really it's up to the mods. All you can say is some people want a site where broing out happens all over the place, and some people would rather it be contained to relevant forums, and there's not really a logical argument to determine who's right. It's up to the mods which people they want to make happy.

I would argue that the people who seriously think that moving a thread from one forum to another is the same thing as aggression and coercion and fascism are the bat**** crazy ones

we could do a black mr pog i guess if people wanted

there is already a black history month i think, not sure if racist?

also domer is right questioning that you were ever looking for anything like dialogue or compromise

you actually banned and belittled the first few respondents i believe

Alright Monte and Kruze

You guys seem to be on the opposite side here

And MB obv wants Ms PoG gone


My thoughts

I honestly don't care about Ms PoG. I have participated in it in the past, participated in Ms OOT for years as well. I do not feel bad at all for participating in them fwiw.

I have mad respect for VR and she would like to see it gone. It is hard for me to think of any request VR would make in PoG that I would say no to

JM3 made some stellar posts itt and I agreed with a lot of his logic.

I agree with Monte on the community say

there are so many good contests where we can debate real things and rate things in a way where we learn actual information

not a contest where we post woman and decide who we like looking at better. it really is just stupid.

i don't recall ever seeing you post in SE
and i have no real issue with you

meanwhile VMF is a horrible troll there who should be exiled, but isn't for whatever reason

nope, him vs me is the only deal i'll accept

I had the suggestion of phasing miss pog out but no one besides chuckles has taken it up

Is it seriously impossible for you to defend objectifying women without making it personal? Please address the substance or get ready to enjoy more time without POG.

id stop posting in SE if domer immediately locks the thread and you guys stop trolling pog

why do you have such an issue with me?

don't be so passive aggressive. i genuinely didn't know what changed your opinion

what do you mean "Those were the conditions"

that doesn't really make sense in the context i asked

you're reaching

rejecting a nice, fair, equal 1 for 1 deal

sad!

You can't be serious.

Do people here like not remember stuff or what?

Crossnerd has attacked women mercilessly on this forum, like legit borderline evil, vindictive, mouth-agape stuff. I recall very clearly CN telling someone on 2p2 to kill themselves. Getting banned on 2p2 is DIFFICULT, especially with some of the gentle souls we've had as mods, and yet CN has managed it multiple times. If I were to list people who were the most anti-female on this forum, it'd be a Sophie's Choice between Crossnerd and McAvoy.

Not sure what biochemicals you're working with this week, but re-check the warning labels buddy, because this self-absorbed troll is literally the LAST PERSON ON 2P2 you should refer to as sincere. If anything, the posts should be a starting point what isn't sincere.

I did what I said I'd do. I gave him a day off for attacking another poster. I know that gets him kudos with you but I asked you guys to talk about the issues not attack each other. Surely domer can manage one post where he does that?

arguments against

it's not really a game
judging women based on their beauty and possibly other criteria is (allegedly) wrong
a few specific people are actually hurt by it and we should acquiesce to their feelings


arguments for it

people enjoy it and life maybe needs some cheap thrills

you are the one defending a thread that is obviously dying on its own

you dont really have any leverage other than acting foolish and acting against everything you pretended you cared about the last year

I'm actually flying to Switzerland tomorrow, so I'll eat some chocolate and schnitzel and have a think about it, I suppose.

And while I'll grant that the two of us can legitimately come to a different conclusion wrt XN's sincerity, I don't think the same can be said wrt VR's posts on the matter.

or it could be that Hillary Clinton is an unlikable and corrupt corporate shill