The thread has existed for going on 9 years now..which is also as long as miss pog has been running. I think if it was going to "spillover" it would have done so

VMF, your femssiah is a false prophet.

all the arguments against removing the contest are dumb

its tradition - ya..... so have plenty of stupid things

Mr pog wouldnt offend me - no one wants to run a Mr pog and who cares???

people have participated in this before - not a argument against progress

it attacks free speech - you guys arent saying anything worthy of "discussion". linking photos and deciding who you think is more attractive isnt worth defending

I do not think there is any tie between the politards topic and this one.

However,

i) The thread has officially jumped the proverbial shark; there are no new opinions from new people. Everyone already said their piece and are repeating themselves. I do not mind talking about something new; I assuming the mods heard everyone. And

ii) There is no actual chance of the politics thread being gone, not when there is a POG green mod averaging like 10 posts per day there. I don't know about the others who agree with me, but I just took advantage of a large audience for -largely pointlessly- voicing my frustration.

It is nice that you will always assume the worst of people.

i dont know what that means, but it seems stupid.

domer, the "contest" sucks. no one cares about it. rating women is stupid and has always been stupid

now its been made clear its offensive to people. so get over it, stop doing it, its not interesting

I bet some of the same people would resist it.

ya that was literally 1 guy, and he was perma'd a long while ago for being awful

HMMMMM...

i'd argue its spilled over quite a bit the past few months

[x] vote Ms POG is fine as is, and as it always has been.

If people against Ms POG actually believe Ms POG has ANY type of negative effect on society, not only are you bat **** crazy, but if you do get Ms POG shut down you should next focus your attention on contests that actually have an audience in the real world, that is larger than the current handful of posters in a dying 2p2.

I feel this is one big troll and you people against Ms POG are insane.

Several arguments in this thread have been similar to the ones I heard when that bakery wouldn't make the wedding cake for a gay couple and they got sued.

Why can't they just go to another bakery?! Why do they have to make ALL bakeries accommodate them?! This is SJWism gone mad! We have the right to our ****ty beliefs, how dare they impose their will on us!



This is why I was shocked that Suq was on board. I think maybe sometimes we want to agree with our friends without thinking too deeply about what we're saying.. (not meant as an insult, I do it too)

I assume all of you have mothers, and many of you have wives, sisters, and daughters. Why would you want to live in a world where its normal to say things like "I know SJWs want to pretend that men and women are the same, but they aren't, and we shouldn't be compelled to make them feel accepted and included."

Argument against removing it: there's nothing wrong it, it's fun, and almost every charlatan running their mouth right now (including yourself) has participated in it.

definitely have a different definition of "clear" than you do

I've made my feelings on the matter pretty clear in a few other locations; I'm not particularly bothered by the Ms. POG thread personally, but then I don't believe I've ever participated (beyond maybe voting once or twice, although I don't really recall). I've thrown a vote into a thread or three over in Ms. OOT, though.

That said, whether or not I'm bothered by it is not really relevant, because there are members of the community that have stated that it does bother them. To the extent that we can take reasonable measures to make more people feel comfortable in POG, I think we should. I don't find arguments put forth by some that XN's and VR's concerns are insincere to be a credible reading of the situation.

Ultimately, though, I don't think this is the kind of thing that is going to end up being decided by mod fiat. Nor should it be.

ya ive seen the way SE talks. you guys pretend you are good people and care about progress, but when moving in the right direction is put in front of you

you guys decline it on absurd reasons and resort to insults

the fact is Ms pog doesnt really bring value. you guys cant even get into arguing on that path, because you know whatever you say would be embarrassing, so you resort to insulting the people against the contest. Sad!

How do you say "there is nothing wrong with it"

woman find it objectifying, offensive and off putting to post here because of it. thats a few things

its fun. how so?

people participating in something in the past, does not make for an argument, and id say i barely did. not relevant tho

would you say you guys are even POG posters, domer and 72?

Crossnerd does bring up an interesting point, which is that the neofeminist movement she espouses has such difficulty gaining traction and legitimacy, not just with men but with women also.

For example, in the recent election Clinton had a huge majorities of blacks and gays, which is to be expected as the Democrats position themself as the party supporting the rights of these minority groups.

With women though, Clinton only had 54% of women vote, and among white Women, Trump actually had the majority. This is despite the fact that Trump is an unapologetic misogynist and Clinton is a "strong" women, one could say a role model for feminism.

Clearly, this indicates that even a large % of women aren't on board with the feminist agenda, and don't believe that sexism is a major issue that needs to be addressed like racism and homophobia.

its a negative to the forum and looking through the thread, im not sure how you can see it bringing any value.

i found the vote-trading and bandwagoning on/off certain women was fun and vaguely strategic in a joke-y sort of way. also, the anna kendrick train was hilarious to watch and was something i joined in on to tilt a lot of people. america's sweetheart!

its as fun as sheep has ever been for me

and there's plenty to admire with people really pushing with writeups from the women they want to win/advance far. jcohen and his girl who started on YouTube and went to work for Fox or something. telco and his irish gal pushing for glory. dudes had WIM and was fun to watch.

Crossnerd and VR don't speak for all women.

I've shown this thread to a women and she found it laughable that this was a debate.

take this to the politics forum??

This is not true.
Here is an admittedly slightly out-of-date list of people who cast a vote in this year's Miss POG.

72off
Amplify
ArcticKnight
Booker Wolfbox
bopolis
chuckleslovakian
Crossnerd
D1iabol1cal
domer2
filthyvermin
Gamer Dude
Hero Value
insanity31
JMurder3
Kellanved
lilrascal
Mor_Tilt4mePls
NeverObliviate
Nitchka'sDad
pwnsall
StuckinARutt
TehVader
UncleDynamite
rtspurs


I bolded the names of the two people whose names I have never seen before. IDK if they are POG regulars (Kellanved probs isn't). All the other people in this list are, in fact, POG regulars.

Again, this is not true and again, it is easy to check.

If truly there is no interest, the game will slowly die on its own.

is people enjoying it value

obviously it is getting less posts now since the forum is less bigger from poker dying and maybe because we are all a little older and less testosterone

Some people might resist it in the name of free speech and open debate, but she is right the mods would mercilessly ban anyone who they felt even slightly crossed the line (as they see it) saying something racist or homophobic.

UD,

Kella = Quick_Ban

We can debate all this at length in the politics thread if you want, but it would probably be futile because you don't have an open mind about peace and freedom.

Virtually everyone in my family is a woman. Mother, sisters, cousins, almost entirely women. None of them expect men and women to be treated the same in every regard. Chivalry exists precisely because men and women are not the same. But do you think its sexist when a guy opens a door for you, pulls out a chair for you, gives you his coat, or defends your honor against someone who has disrespected you on your behalf?