Attacking the "standing" (so to speak) of VR or crossnerd to bring a complaint strikes me as missing the point. Well, I suppose if the only reason you can find to oppose Ms. POG as it exists is that it bothers specific people, then maybe you care about who those people are. But the argument against having Ms. POG, or at least in favor of trying to do it a little differently, is bigger than it just offending specific people. It's about larger questions involving gender, sexuality, and the objectification of women. I get that people will have different perspectives on those questions, but imo it doesn't clarify anything to make it a referendum on the worthiness of specific posters to complain while ignoring the larger questions.
It's also rather unpleasant, and especially in regard to VR, complaining that she doesn't contribute rather misses one of her main points:
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
CN didn't ask to abolish Miss POG, she just asked for an expansion of the criteria...one that might lead to a Miss POG that all the members of the forum can be proud of. It certainly seems like a reasonable and overdue request to me...that is if you actually WANT women to participate in the forum. If what you want is a boys club, well, you're well on your way to having one.
I don't expect everyone to agree on this topic, but I think it is reasonable to think people could discuss it without turning it into an attack on the people raising the issue, who for their part haven't tried to turn it into an attack on the character of individual participants in Ms. POG.