The point is not to change people's mind - as I understand the threads existence, it is to understand what the viewpoints are in POG on the issue of Ms POG and to determine whether or not it should continue.

In a sense, it is a survey. Now, I do not know what is the precise split between for's, against and I don'tknow/don't care. Nor, do I know how the moderators will respond to their sense of the total view.

But, I reiterate I do not think this thread was made with the intent to convince people. I suppose it is here, if anyone can come up with a compelling argument one way or the other for the mod's yet as you have pointed out that is probably not going to happen.


I suggest the mod's kick it upstairs to the owners and see what they think.

All of this, twice

Can you just close this abomination of a thread.

I specifically said in my post I wasn't calling him an alt-righter. Also I was under the impression that alt-right includes a much wider group than just neo-nazis. If that's wrong then forget about it. I wasn't intending to call people nazis for disagreeing with feminism. Either way I regret bringing it up at all, because it's not really relevant or helpful to the discussion.

That the website is unwelcoming to women due to rampant sexism and misogyny has been an ongoing concern of the management for a long time, so the point you're trying to make doesn't really work. The main reason why so little has been done about it is because it's mostly seen as a lost cause -- and this thread is a good example of why. Any actions that are taken taken get a lot of backlash.

Digger, owners don't care. It's up to sub forum mods to make these decisions, they won't rule on it. If Ms POG is shut down, that wont stop Ms OOT, unless OOT mods shut it down.

Gabe, yes I would lock this and politics thread but I have a feeling it would simply be unlocked. We have a team of lone wolf pog mods.

lettuce not insult monte's wolf game. stay on the topic at hand

ok, was just a suggestion.

If you read filthy's posts, it seems he changed his mind about it pretty quickly.

Yes, and that's likely a very good thing.
But one specific instance doesn't refute what seems like the general trend is here.

I'm very happy to be wrong, but I think it's important to recognize the inherent limitations to help avoid running our collective heads into a wall when applicable.

damn straight, finally some sense in there. KruZe for mod.

Kruze you are obviously correct but there is no use feeding the trolls you'll never satisfy their appetite

Grunching so sorry if already mentioned earlier

But if Ms. Pog is to continue, changes need made that foster a more inclusive environment.

Go look at all the past winners. All white faces. I nominated Maria Taylor, a beautiful accomplished woman, and last I checked not a peep from anyone agreeing shed be a perfect Ms. Pog. Past minorities Ive nominated like Cari champion were essentially laughed out of the contest. Wonder why that is? She forgot to have a white face is my best guess, otherwise makes no sense.

Id like to have brackets grouped by race, maybe have multiple winners each year with different races represented. Im open to other suggestions though, havent given as much thought as it probably appears I have. Anything that makes Pog look like less of an old country club and more like the inclusive community we are.

it's because you forgot to include her community involvement and if/why she is a likeable person

it is a good looking dog

You know what, this is actually quite true.

It's also the reason why I called the MB/CN tantrum a "charade." Because that is exactly what it is. It's pretend. Kabuki. Play-acting. Two bored trolls getting their jollies inventing a drama where they are the stars of show. Look at what they posted in the 2015 Miss POG Finals thread:

(Responding to whether Miss POG should have a personality or accomplish something!)

That is me spending 5 minutes, looking at literally one thread, and pulling four quotes. I'm sure there's a whole treasure trove, because MB/CN heartily participated in Miss POG over the years. And apparently they both viewed it purely as a looks contest as recently as 2015. And now they are up in arms about the social injustice of these sexist brutes not caring about personality or brain or accomplishments? Give me a ****ing break.

It's an invented crisis born out of an extended troll, nothing more and nothing less. And nobody should be engaging MB or CN as serious, because I assure you, they are 10,000% not genuine or serious.

It's a quote from Silicon Valley.

I obviously find very little perverted as what people do with their sex lives is of no interest to me.

Well, we should be trying to discuss the point and not who brought it up (though I maintain that MB should not have been the one who opened the thread...).

What bull****.

As if people have no ability to change their minds on a subject. I guess when you are status quo or bust, it's impossible to understand that people have the capacity for change.

Am I a troll, Domer? Am I not supporting Miss Pog just to get my jollies and rile up the haters? Where are my posts about how great it is?

Perhaps.

What happened here though was that Crossnerd went into the politics thread to tell WN to stop whatever he's doing and begin with his shift fighting the nazis here. He was having none of it(something about girls drooling?).

We just need a little more time to get as enlightened as you are. Don't be mad if we also find the brilliance of L. Ron Hubbard in the same time.

KruZe rare voice for the common man.

What is this concept of attractive women?

Sounds somewhat misogynistic

thread delivers

Couldn't we rebrand it as 'pog mascot', allow any animal/vegetable/mineral entry, have 'represents the interests of pog' or whatever as the criteria. People could nominate their actresses or whatever but they'd have to make a case for them being better representatives for pog than kruze's dog or kioshk's neighbour.

The reason I went to that specific thread is because that is the year that Kendrick beat Palvin. Looks-wise, Palvin blows Kendrick out of the water (I think virtually everyone can agree) and yet...Oscar nominee/Tony nominee, all-around funny, likable person Kendrick won. The premise being argued here - that this is some sort of meat market beauty contest - is false. And not only is it false, but the two clowns who started the whole thing were ON THE LOOKS SIDE OF THE EQUATION in 2015.

Their codswallop has no coinage, and anyone being tricked otherwise, well they're just dupes. And we have no shortage of dupes.

domer makes good points

enjoy getting banned again for it

We could do that in addition to what we have now. To each his own. I am sure several people would participate in both of these. As for me, I definitely do not have time and interest to spare to do writeups for any kind of contest or draft competition, and I'd rather dedicate my POG-allotted time to werewolf and such (then again, I have probably more than 20 posts in this thread, so lolme).

I can only repeat that I do not find Miss POG to be demeaning; I think that looking at a woman's beauty does not equal to objectifying her; all the photos I have ever posted there were very tame and tasteful.

I accept and understand that several other people (including women) disagree with this point of view, but I do not see why those who are against this should be the only ones to decide.