You have basically made my point for me. They are not the same things and you cannot use them as analogies because they do not fit although the religion one comes closer than race and sexual orientation

I would rather watch the original videos. Where were these plagiarized from?

They're not plagiarised from anywhere. They're clips from Inside Amy Schumer.

How is my point sexist?

It seems fairly accurate from what I've seen, I say it because that's what I've seen after analyzing a lot of these arguments.

I would think it's very much the same in that actors and models get objectified a ****ton regardless of your gender. And you are SURE that this line is that Mr POG would be fine but Ms POG isn't. Instead of what I would expect from a logical conclusion("I am not sure if Mr POG would be okay but I am sure Ms POG is less okay than Mr POG"). This is a dead giveaway.

I hate to be the one to say this (but I will), you are rapidly losing credibility with these terrible feminist retorts you keep coming out with.

The more of these clichéd lines you come up with the harder it is to take you seriously.

I feel like you had a good point to begin with that is becoming less apparent the more you post. Instead of trying to minimise others opinions (something you don't want done to you) just keep a clear head and be logical, its much harder for people to ague with you that way. There is also the fact that you are almost never changing the view of the person you are arguing with, the point of discussion is to make the observers see things a different way.

Yes, I changed that post, and clearly demonstrated a point in it.

You, however, made a completely different analogy with pork and a bbq.

An equivalency would have been to fill in that same kamarein post with Muslim and Christians, which would look like this:

Stop with the bull**** analogies. If you want to make one, do it honestly.

There's what your analogy looks like above, in black and white. And that would ALSO be instantly banned.

The reason I came back too this thread was because I wanted to address something that I saw earlier, claims that miss POG is racist. That is the stupidest thing I have heard.

Equality is about equal opportunity, not equal outcome. If anyone had been racist in a previous miss POG thread they would have been banned. Just because someone of XYZ minority hasn't won doesn't mean there is racism, it just means that they are not the most appealing to the people voting.

Why would that be banned?

And remember..it's because some of them got upset about the bbq contest

in acting, appearance and youth are much more important in a woman's career than a man's.

in modeling too, men can model at a vastly wider age range than women. many models aren't technically even women. they are girls. a lot of 18 year olds are too old to model.

And i said jenn that i would do this tomorrow when i could think it through but you challenged me saying i couldn't so i was forced to come up with analogies on the spot

Other women secretly hate beauty contests because they're jealous of the contestants. Gee, I have no idea why I'd call that sexist.

If that's actually your "analysis" and its natural conclusion, then I don't see why I'm getting **** for calling people's views stupid and ignorant here.

Do me a favour and give your opinion on the Ms POG thread and keep your opinion of other posters to yourself.

in tv broadcasting it seems tougher for women too. on espn they sometimes use women just as props on a show. they dont get to share their opinions on the sports topic, but they just kind of keep the convo going

I am not the one using the cliches. I am the one pointing them out.

And I suspect that men actors get paid more than their female counterparts because ?. The world is sexist in many ways, I agree. However, attractive people are attractive for both genders in very similar ways, it's basic biology.

I think I am reasonable, but, of course, I cannot be the judge of myself. It is not like I am blind or deaf to the arguments that were presented. I like to think I am not dumb enough not to get their argument, only I have a different opinion (and I hope I managed to convey it).

Unfortunately, when people discuss social and political issues, their ideas are not very likely to change; I think this applies to the "reasonable" and the "open-minded" as well.

Since we're already at this point, I would like to expand the argument a bit.
Some posters have presented the argument that Ms POG is offensive to women because such competitions make them feel that women, in general, are not perceived to have any worth outside their beauty.

They then proceed to directly correlate the dwindling number of women on POG with the presence of competitions such as Ms POG. I think that is a false equivalence, but my point is a bit different.

I have already stated -several times- how much I appreciate VR and how much I would have like for her to keep posting. I am not alone in this; I am sure that several people that are do not want Ms POG banned agree with me.

How many value VR because she is a woman? I value her for her awesome contributions; if she were a man, this would not change one bit on what I think about her. She is an awesome poster because she is an awesome poster.

I think we should strive to reach to good posters. The gender of these good posters is meaningless to me. There is nothing wrong with diversity, but diversity for the sake of diversity has always left me uninspired.

Of course, it is possible that I would feel quite differently if I were a woman, and I just lack the empathy liberals have.

This is part of the reason why I think that outlawing a game just because some people (some of them women) think it makes women unwelcome is wrong.

The counterargument to this, of course, would be that many women (some of whom might be potentially awesome posters) would be turned off at the gate of POG because they felt unwelcome. While this is possible, I do not think there is enough evidence to say this is actually happening because of Ms POG.
We've been over this: you, as a green mod, open a thread about an issue; everyone knows what you think about that issue, so when you start to telling people off, they can have that kind of reaction.

I already admitted that I unfairly accused you, but what do you think that I was prompted to accuse you in the first place? You know that I have always been extremely friendly to you in the past.

and on QVC modeling jewelry/shoes/items with women hosts talking, but the models are just there!

Lol. I don't think there's much of a point to us continuing to talk to each other.

I don't condone hateful rhetoric towards groups of specific people. And I would serve something besides pork at the bbq. Simple as that.

Its more that men have been in control in hiring for these jobs, so usually women employees looks gets evaluated more closely and way more important to getting a job in any of those businesses.

na its diff kruze. on espn i saw this show first take, where there is 2 men arguing on sports and the woman just is there to read the prompter, not give opinion on the argument

here i'll help, this is live



look at the women being used as props!

and what about cheerleaders?

they aren't even out there giving Brady advice on the next play!

One of the problems we face in this discussion is that the "other side" seems simply unwilling to accept reality.

The reality is that it's not the same for men and women. I find it really hard to believe you actually can think it is when you need only reflect on what films really do consist of. There are many more good roles for men. Women are often just eye candy. Old men are portrayed having relationships with young hot women about 100x more than old women with young hot men.

Last night, we played the Expendables on Netflix. The only women in it were totty.

Jason Statham. Now he's a handsome dude. Fit. A lot of women fancy him. But he's in films to kung fu the **** out of other dudes, to fire guns and look moody. The women in his films are in them to be Statham's girlfriend or the damsel in distress he's saving.

Fast and Furious. Six dudes and one woman, right?

Shall we do police procedurals next?

there is a movie that came out recently "why him?"

i didn't see it, but the trailer disgusted me.



it stars james franco, bryan cranston, and zoey duetsch.

james franco and bryan cranston have characters. they actually get to perform. they do comedy. james franco is 39, and cranston is like 60 or whatever. and zoey duetsch is a 22 year old cardboard cutout. she is beautiful. but we have no idea if she is talented or not because they might as well have a mannequin playing her role