You and domer are the only people who've made an issue about that.

The reason I felt it was worth discussing is it doesn't seem to be attracting all that much interest, so I wondered whether posters like you would be really all that bereft if we just didn't line women up like meat in head to head contests and perhaps tried something else. If you want to condemn me for overestimating you, UD, then fine, I did.

I mean you dont post a poll, mods arent going to make a decision so when you created the thread what was the actual point? it literally is just a politics thread without the title then

The reason why so few women post in this forum is cause in case you havent noticed this is a poker forum and it is a male-dominated (and dying) game. If youre acting like the reason we dont have women post here is cause the community as a whole is a sexist misogynistic wasteland, then youre crazy. The only woman I can remember getting run off was VR and that was largely due to Mac who is permabanned for good reason.

I personally enjoy Miss Pog but not to the point of fighting for it to stay if there's such a big hoopla over it. I also dont vote solely on looks and neither do most other people afaik, many of the people who actively participate in pushing for their specific female to win post interviews and funny/personable clips of them. Im not going to say its not a beauty contest cause yes that is the first thing people are looking at. But people like Anna Kendrick/MEW/Kristen Bell/Margot Robbie (to a lesser extent) winning means its not just a beauty contest. Also why you dont see supermodels ever winning.

People itt acting like their rights are being trodden on by even having this discussion.

Hate speech is not protected speech in the USA#1. And the government imposes its will all the time when it comes to matters of ethics. Nobody ****s on Lincoln or Roe or Brown. Except bigots.

i would be pretty hyped to play pog person of the year... as long as it didn't devolve into a female beauty contest

i'd be so tilted at all the elon musk votes

I don't think that's a good idea but by all means, you do you.

People did do it to those other groups. Women (and maybe immigrants) are the only group that lingers in this moral gray area. Partially in thanks to views like yours.

nooooo!! i would never make the same nominations and votes for POY. we'd have to start a whole new game

Its hard to even come up with anything reasonable for racial differences or sexuallity

But just like some people like pork, some men like women. The point that karemin made is that is unreasonable to expect that on a male dominated forum that that should go unexpressed.

You then twisted his words into cases that just don't fit.

Okay, now explain what makes the sexist Ms POG different from "top 10 hottest guys in poker" or "Mr POG".

I understand that the argument is that I am a man and I can't understand(unless I'm one of those special enlightened ones). My argument is that they are the same because they are the same.
Stuck said that he won't tally the votes until this abomination of a thread reaches a conclusion. People are playing the waiting game to see whether there will be more crazy aggressive modding(which it seems there is).

Frankly, I am just going to keep posting votes, and, to a lesser extent, tasteful (non-scantily-clad) pics like I usually do. Shrug.

No VMF, what I'm saying is who cares? and why are you caring?

There and thousands of contest all over the place that do the same thing beauty contest do, and some of them are very harsh compared to beauty contest.

I never see these people complain when a large group of the public is voting on who the best singer/artist is. Even though there's no difference in that and beauty contest

You're not following me

Lol

The "just jealous" argument.

Still missing "hysterical" and "on her period" though.

So you know Ben, I'm doing ok in the looks department. Don't feel bad about saying something ****ty.

We are each being presented with a decision where we have an impact. I am siding with the idea of progressing further than a simple beauty contest that I do not think holds any value.

younguns, I explained what I was doing.

Your view isn't unreasonable. So if I said to you, well, let's make it person of the year and have a different focus that's not quite so offensive to some, maybe you'd agree with me, and then we're in a different place.

I mean, I obviously know there are people who just are entrenched in their views both ways, but that doesn't have to be everybody. Having a poll just means someone wins, someone loses, and the losers feel unheard. Having the mods just decide is not really the way we've ever done things. So why not see whether people are a bit flexible and willing to adapt a not very popular thread to a new use that makes more people happy?

If they aren't, fine. I said I wasn't going to try to impose my view. If they are, great, let's talk about what would be a good compromise.

Shrug. I think you always knew that I was quite socially conservative.
If you did not know that and it disappoints you, fair enough.

Edit: I think ArcticKnight also had the very same issue domer and I had.

Being against pork is not the same as being against sexism. The fact you would even make this analogy just demonstrates this false idea that the concerns of women are niche and a matter of personal taste.

Your argument is summarily rejected.

Oh. BTW, I think that tallying votes should be domer's responsibility. You open the thread, you run it.

Labeling my point at "oh the classic blahblahblah thing I won't even consider thinking about because it disagrees with my logic"

nice

Crossnerd made an awesome post about the thing lenC is talking about: what's the difference between Mr POG and Ms POG. I fear I'll stuff up the argument but it goes something like, women are raised to feel their self-worth is strongly tied to their looks. It's just a fact of a sexist world. But men are raised to feel they have value outside their looks.

I mean, you need only look at films. There are handsome male actors but they are not working just because they're handsome. They are not sold as being just hot. But women often are. They are often in films simply as window dressing.

You may have seen this youtube. I think it's a nice, wry look at that idea:

karemin made a post and you then posted it with men and women replaced with brown white and gay straight.

That is a fact. But if i try to use Muslim Christian then i dont understand and my argument gets rejected

Ok lol

Yes, I know you're conservative but I took you to be reasonable too.

ArcticKnight didn't like that I suggested people going "is this a joke?" wasn't very helpful. Which it wasn't.

When you open a discussion, UD, you kind of want to set the tone if you can.

hopefully you really want to know why it's different. i mean you are actually interested in learning... i hope.

let's say a 2017 white man and a black make a bet. and the loser has to be the winner's slave for a day.

if the black man loses and the white man says "boy! fetch me a drink and shine my shoes!" do you see how it's different if the black man is the slave or the white man?

the exact same things are happening either way, just like with mr pog or miss pog. but there is a context outside of the game that makes things different.

does that make sense?

No, I'm saying your point about women just being jealous of better looking women was a sexist and ignorant thing to say on your part. Not because you're sexist and ignorant, I assume, but because you have yet to realize the views you hold are abhorrent.

I got "video not available" message on yours, but the one above works for me