I get this argument but there's some reasonable distinction between non-game "community" threads that tend to be rancorous and ones which don't. Although then again, given the venerable history of pub drama... :P

As I recall, someone suggested a Miss POG contest, there was concern about the fact that it wasn't a puzzle or game, so the people interested in it put together the game aspect of it so that it would technically fit in the forum. You were the only one who ever took winning seriously, and that has mostly fallen by the wayside since then anyway.

If this were really and truly a game, then I would expect that the list of previous winners would have your name in it, rather than someone who was unaware that she was even playing in such a "game".

When KB won she was not the most the attractive person out of the group and beat an actual supermodel to win.

What is the new criteria that xn wants? Anyone is free to nominate anyone and use whatever pictures of them they desire.

I don't think anyone is saying threads like miss pog shouldn't be allowed to exist. The issue is whether we of pog want that here. I don't tell anyone what to do or not do in their own home, but I do get to decide what goes on in mine. Of course, this forum isn't a physical place and it's not just mine. It's a shared community and that community gets to collectively decide what is appropriate. That's what this conversation is supposed to be.

Wow can people stop talking about closing the politics thread? That thread has been in pog longer than half the people posting in this thread.

I hope the mods will forgive me for the OT, but I do not think that POG has ever had a bigger blight than the politics forum. Mods have kept the werewolf grievance thread closed because it produced too much flame.

Fair enough. But the flaming produced by the Politics thread is far greater than that. It is 99%-composed by people hating on each other on a level that depends from their character. I think someone changed their mind on some issue in there 20 years ago.

eyebooger stated in the PUB that he was worried that once the politics containment thread was gone, politics would start spilling in other places. Well, here's what the mods are for. Direct the politics talk to politics. At least Ms POG is still a game.

No one said it isn't wrong everywhere. It should be obvious why someone would make an effort to change something in a community that they're a part of without simultaneously trying to change all of the rest of the world as well.

Thing is, many people -POG regulars, I might add- are unconvinced by the bolded.

I do not think something necessarily belongs in POG because it's always been there. I actually agree with master that tradition for the sake of tradition is silly.

Is it though? People could say it's just as easily about trying to make others conform or whatever yadda yadda, you know the general argument. Seems like aggrandizing the situation.

Seems like it's just a thread on a somewhat obscure internet forum where some people (mostly men) post pictures of women and talk about them and maybe overanalyze them, because they enjoy it. People can be offended by it if they want. Hell they can even try to make others feel guilty about it if that gets them off.

Also in theory this is an anon forum and people may want others to post here or not for a wide variety of reasons.

No the politics thread is just fine. You are blaming that thread for this one, like we radicalized xn or something.

We also have a philosophy thread, an economics thread, and a programming thread. Let them be.

if this results in closing the politics thread i think that would be good, keep game discussion in games

make PoG PoG again

No. This thread could easily have happened without the politics thread as well.

I do not really have any issue with her posts here. I just disagree with her.

I do not think they belong in POG either, but they have not created nearly as many problems as the politics thread has.

I don't know what problems the politics thread has created. I don't think any of the regular contributors have problems with each other.

I'm not saying that the question about whether to have Ms. POG is especially important in the grand scheme of things. I'm only saying that the question is obviously tied to larger arguments in western culture. Those arguments are bigger than the individuals involved here. That's why one reaction to the complaint is to dismiss it as "PC run amok." If the complaint was purely idiosyncratic, you wouldn't have that kind of response.

domer is a very smart guy. i'd be shocked and disappointed if he truly believed crossnerd was faking the whole thing just for drama.

i'm pretty surprised he said it

This just is not true; I seldom read the thread and I see people insulting each other almost on every page.

People have repeatedly say its sexist and misogynistic. You get to choose what to do until it infringes on rules or someone else's rights. Everyone's crux was sexist and degrading not whether its a game. I mean ffs xn put a damn woman as a table to object the sexism.

The issue is this isnt "your house" its a community though.

and yes, mb and crossnerd both said awful things in past miss pogs. that doesn't mean we should dismiss their completely different opinions now.

the guy who wrote the song amazing grace used to be a slaver. that doesn't mean we should dismiss the song amazing grace because the same guy used to sell slaves.

Selfishness? Esp when it happens on a larger scale and coul raise more awareness. If its so bad then why not help others not feel it first?

I do enjoy these faux conformists -- like Sun Tzu heading into a phonebooth to switch avatars and filthyvermin the Miss POG junkie giving us an impromptu acting lesson -- who are all now swearing fealty to the cause.

A pro-tip on taking a stand on principals (that would also apply to people like WN, soah, VR, etc.) is that you have no credibility when you've already expressed the exact opposite of those principals by participating. The contest has not mutated into something other than a fun way to appreciate women; it is just the same now as it was when you enjoyed it!

And VR, whom it must be stated I respect and like very much, going on about porn stars and wet t-shirt contests was ridiculous. Timelady ran the contest for at least 2 years, and this is my second year making the OP. In those threads it says, "This is Miss POG, not Miss Porn Star." Ironically the only year that has not been in the OP was when Crossnerd ran the nomination thread. I personally consider every facet of a woman to be a factor, although I can't speak for all participants.

Is there anyone with any shred of credibility who wants to take a stab at why the thread is a problem? Because the rest of these guys & gals are failing pretty hard. Although I admit, it's hard to tell they're failing since they're all patting each other on the back for being so courageous.

He wasnt out there putting people selling slaves on blast tho wtf. This is so tilting.

"Tied to" is a loaded term

fringly related too after several leaps in logic which will probably end up leading you to the wrong conclusions seems more apt

I don't disagree with that. But we are fine with it. People still get along and continue to post there and while it is true that there have been some regrettable bans, they have all been short ones and everyone still continues to post

I also consider it my thread even though i didn't technically make the op--i don't know which mod moved my post from the community thread. I'm going to bump every community thread i find once i get on comp though

I personally need that thread though because i need an outlet on the Internet to discuss politics in. I cannot post in the politics main forum because **** that place..although i guess now they make a subforum for my views..it doesn't matter though.

Like we are allowed to have a little acrimony it's ok just don't take it too far. I still like everyone in pog just because they are here and would gladly have a drink with anyone in the politics thread even master