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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
What a silly post. Crossnerd opened discussion of this topic in the Miss POG nominations thread, and another forum member, ArcticKnight, requested that the discussion continue in another thread. Crossnerd concurred. The thread was created.
I am saying that someone else (for example, Crossnerd) should have created this topic. I would not have posted what I just did if she had. You are free not to believe me, of course.
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Does the person that created it have an opinion on the topic? Yes, but the thread was specifically created based on member feedback. Complaining that a green started it would be like complaining that someone requested to have their thread locked and MonkeyBanana locked it.
I respectfully disagree with you and I still think a mod actually opening it has a different vibe.
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The truth is, of course, that Miss POG is unapologetically sexist and always has been. Your post makes me think that you don't want to defend it on that basis, so you decided to attack the OP of the thread.
You are more or less correct. I usually dislike discussing political or social issues on this forum. When Crossnerd more or less directly asked me why did I nominate a particular woman without specifying if she had other qualities other than her good looks, I just said something to the extent of "different opinions".
I would like to note, however, that I did not attack Crossnerd and I am attacking MB, and this is in spite of the fact that I actually like Monkey Banana and I do not really like Crossnerd.
I am not attacking his opinion, but the role I think he is playing right now.
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I've campaigned enthusiastically in Miss POG in the past. I think beautiful women, as a gender, are on the whole better looking than beautiful men, and I can appreciate female beauty and sexiness, even as a straight female. That doesn't change the fact that if I'm honest, Miss POG is the forum equivalent of a wet t-shirt contest. As a woman, I avoid bars with wet t-shirt contests and would immediately leave if I accidentally entered one because 1) I would be horribly uncomfortable and 2) I think they feed into an atmosphere that is both hostile toward and dangerous to women.
Like I said before, I usually do not like talking about social issues, but since I've already started, let me ask you this. You yourself said that you have been an enthusiastic contributor to Ms POG in the past years.
Since you are writing this post now, it is safe to say that your views on the matter have evolved over time. Fair enough. However, I would be willing to bet real money that even at the time you were a Ms POG enthusiast, you would feel uncomfortable finding yourself in a bar that hosts wet t-shirts contest.
Which leads me to the point that these are two very different things (I would feel really uncomfortable seeing a wet t-shirt contest as well).
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Also, dismissing Crossnerd's real concerns as "political correctness gone mad" epitomizes everything I dislike about the anti-pc contingent. As Miss Manners says, attempting to avoid giving offense when interacting with others is merely minimal civility.
Actually, I was not dismissing her concern, because, as I already repeated several times, she never asked for a mod to police this contest, but only appealed to the posters for stopping to participate. I disagree with her arguments, but I do not think this is PC gone mad because she did not attempt to try telling us what we ought to do.
I think that Monkey, in opening this thread as a moderator, is trying to do that, because he is trying to see if there is enough player support from preventing this contest from happening. He is talking about "policy" and posters shaping it.
I am not sure you will agree with what I am saying, but I at least hope you were able to understand my POV now.