Pogball 1 commish here, is be fine with syncing up changes. Only difference is we have 10 players to your 12.

As to recent topics - I don't like defenses but also have a top 2 so I dunno how to make it fair if we remove them, but also on that note I think we should remove kickers first.

First two tiebreakers should be wins then points. Anything else is typically weird and unfair

I'd tend towards keeping defenses, and dropping kickers.

I know in this league there were pretty strong feelings (championed by Bingo, I think), that it should go h2h for 2 person tie breaker before points.

So points to break ties in all circumstances except with exactly 2 teams who have played each other. It almost passed, and had no one voting no.. but it just kinda died in offseason.

so 2 8-5 teams one 1600 points one 1300 why should the 1300 get in because he beat the 1600 point team once?

That's just what people expressed to be desirable in h2h situations when we had this discussion before.

However, I get the argument that was made. It's "less fair", but so is h2h matchups at all. To take your argument to the extreme why should a 9-4 team with 1300 points get in over the 8-5 team with 1600 points? Head to head matchups matter in this circumstance, and it's entirely variance based on schedule. It's no different using h2h as a tiebreaker than it is with standings.

The only real fair way is pay out total points 1st place at the end of the season, but there is some fun in h2h. I don't see any difference in counting standings at all and using h2h as a tiebreak.

I have no opinion on the H2H vs points debate - just want something simple and easy to understand. It took me a good 30 minutes to figure out the tiebreak scenarios this year as we had up to a 4way potential tie.

Tiebreaker scenarios are fun, points are boring

This is ultimately why there are divisions, head to head matches, schedules, etc. The most equitable way is simply playing 16 weeks and paying out points.

I mostly just wanted to go h2h --> points because it is easier to calculate and will never lead to errors. Division % and stuff is kinda weird.

I'm in favour of points for all tiebreakers. EV, EV, EV :P

Having divisions is dumb imo, I'd rather it was like a normal redraft league, also if people don't want to get rid of defences how about we change their scoring so it's the same as a Yahoo redraft league instead of the ridiculous stuff we have right now?

I'd be more in favour of dropping defences entirely and compensating the people who don't want to drop defences though because they are a huge waste of time.

Also sooted needs to upload an avatar in both leagues and also change the name of his team in POGball 2 so it doesn't still say 'Carl's Giants (formerly xxsooted)', also it would be nice if you didn't take the maximum amount of time for every single draft pick this time around you slob.

Newton's Laws of Motion and Shiva Kamini also need avatars in POGball 2.

How about we just change everything this league has been for six years now? Maybe just flat out change it to an MLB league. Chim just pretty perfectly laid out the reasons for not just having nothing and counting the points, yeah all these things adds some extra variance, and they might go against you, lets learn to deal with that.

I really don't understand your attitude here, I've been in the leagues for 2 years now, there are lots of things wrong with them and I'm only now making some suggestions and ofc if people don't want to do them then they won't. Not a big deal.

Imo divisions are awesome. The division draft is fun. Playoff seeding is fun. Sweating those payouts is fun.

I've never really understood why people draw the line at just h2h and playoffs being acceptable variance, though.

It would make sense if the argument was to get rid of h2h and playoffs entirely. It'd be dull, but it would make sense. Having divisions is in no way worse than no divisions. It is different, to be sure, but nothing about it is worse once we accept that we want some type of fun that is outside paying straight points.

Well it's become a somewhat unfortunate trend to have people popping in in the off-season, complaining about all sorts of things and then otherwise providing nothing, including viable solutions. I'm not saying that this is you, just in general, i find that pretty off-putting.

Your point above here though, you are stating that as though it is a fact, and not just your personal opinion. You are of course allowed to provide suggestions, but they didn't read so much as that, more statements of how stupid you think the setup of the league is.

I don't like many of these proposed changes. As much as I hate them I don't think it's fair to eliminate defenses, kickers I could live without. Divisions should stay, adds another flavor to the mix but I would feel stronger about it if we didn't shuffle divisions every year. Also prefer h2h over points for tie breaker. It's the way every sport determines tie breakers and adds extra importance to big games.

No surprised, based on my other posts, I agree with almost all of that.

I do think dropping defenses isn't a great idea. There are definitely decisions involved with that. I always felt kickers were pretty dumb, and no one has had to invest anything into them.

I do feel pretty strongly we should vote on "h2h --> points" for tiebreaker, though. I do not really like division win % part of it.

I officially propose a rule change:

Tiebreaks to be as follows:

1. H2H record between participants; this can include any number of participants
2. Total points

A scenario worthy of clarifying is that the first stage of the tiebreaks eliminates players, and then all remaining players have ties broken based on the second stage:

Example: Players A-D all tie:
Player A: 1500 points, lost to player B, lost to player C, lost to player D
Player B: 1400 points, beat player A, lost to player C, beat player D
Player C: 1300 points, beat player A, beat player B, lost to player D
Player D: 1200 points, beat player A, lost to player B, beat player C

in this scenario, player A is eliminated based on his 0-3 H2H record within the tied group, who are all 2-1 in the H2H tied group. Player B then moves on based on his highest points of remaining players.

I kinda prefer if >2 people to just do points due to ease of process, but will defer to league consensus.

I vote to leave it as is

This is my preference

League setup for 2017, draft order set and imported. Feel free to discuss any trades.

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In other news don't feel so bad I traded away my first pick. The depth of this draft seems pretty overrated after some of the pieces fell.

Sorry for infringing on your all's thread. I was just hoping for a few pointers if you all don't mind. I am setting up a 12 team .5PPR dynasty (or keeper league w/ a lot of keepers for no penalty) league w/ some of my buddies. All the friends have played fantasy for years. I don't really want to create a situation where it is easy for one team to dominate for 5+ years. Any advice you all would give having had this league running for 5 years?

I am making everyone pay $150 the first year then $100 after that to front end $50 should anyone quit (they would forfeit their $50).

Starting lineup:
1 QB
1 RB
2 WR
1 TE
4 FLEX (RB/WR/TE)
1 DEF
0 K
7 Bench spots

People can keep 10 players each year for no penalty. There will be a 7 round snake draft w/ rookies & FAs each year where the winner of the consolidation tourney each year picks his draft slot, then the guy who came in second chooses, etc through the 6 non-playoff teams. The playoffs teams will choose their draft spots in reverse order of regular season standings.

League is purchased.

Division draft can start.

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Draft will start 7/5. 12 hour clock with the 8 hours in downtime.

I take Newtons