Can we take this to a vote? I really don't see how this is fair. As Chim said if they had put up negative points no way they get started.

I don't think we've ever allowed exceptions to people screwing up their lineup selection. And I have a strong suspicion that if birdman was on the opposite side of this he'd be throwing a fit right now.

I agree with this...

The more I think about it the more torn I am.

The spirit of the rules say that people should be fielding the most competitive team. But, the aforementioned issue about people being punished in this situation due to having more risk averse roster management. There have been plenty of times that I have not had a start in because I messed up the time management of it. It's certainly different because at least I had some option, but the time is there for a reason.

Pretty clear what Birds intentions were.. which is why I don't necessarily mind this exception. But it's pretty gross to fix, and Ibav brings up some totally fair points.

For the record when OTI asked Bingo and I my first response was since he texted him after kickoff no go.

Also, its further complicated because Bird had OTI's phone number and could have texted him at any time. The fact he had the number and failed to text earlier makes it harder to justify.

This definately shouldn't be allowed! When you only roster someone who plays on thursday(you could roster more) you really should be able to put them in before the actual game on thursday. If this is allowed, should we also allow someone to put in a superstar who was somehow left out by mistake? Imo it doesn't make a difference that there are no other alternatives on the roster in this instance. Everyone is responsible for having their lineups ready in time.

Also, it shouldn't, but it also does factor in that this is a guy who uses every loophole in the rules to get an edge and refers to the rules while doing so, so why not follow them here? I feel like there's NO WAY, absolutely no way that bird man would allow this if he was on the other side of it. He would probably refer to the rules in a condescending way and say too bad.

This is really the most important point. He coulda texted OTI at any point.. coulda done lineup night before, morning of. I know I submit about 5-6 lineups a week (or at least check them) to make sure nothing like this happens. I set my alarm early on Thursday mornings just in case I don't get home in time.

I realize I've been all over the board on this.. but I think I've come full circle and think it shouldn't be allowed. I mean if I have 1 QB on my roster and don't submit lineup in time that QB starts.. but if I have two then neither do? That's kinda ridiculous.

And Chris, I've also tried to keep my personal feelings on the matter out of it (not to mention the fact my personal equity is increased if Bird wins this week).

On a side note, how crazy am I for wanting to start Sanchez over Bradford?

Yep! It's easy, and i'd guess almost everyone sets a temporary lineup in good time to avoid things like this. It also opens up for a lot of similar stuff. What if someone accidentally leaves in an injured(or questionable who doesn't play) player who plays on thursday. Should they be able to change to someone else because clearly they meant to take that player out? Same thing

Yeah i know. It's the right way to go about it. Just feels even more iffy to do this 'common sense' leniency for someone who'd never let it fly the other way

This is a really good point. If my kicker was listed OUT and I picked one up on waivers but never made the change.. is that change going to be made?

I mean I'm not against allowing it since he had no other defense/kicker and the chance of angling is practically 0 since the chances of K+DEF going for negative points is really low but if it would happen against me I'd be pretty mad.

My main reason for being against allowing it is that being dumb should be punished equally for everyone and not cherry picked.

I didn't read all of the discussion. The issue is I am usually asleep on Wednesday by the time waivers go through. I normally got off work in plenty of time to get home and set all my lineups which is my weekly ritual and my plan in this case. Randomly I had to stay at work until 9. Right after I got off is when I texted OTI.

If you guys don't want me to start them I understand. Honestly, I am 0-4 and am unlikely to make the playoffs so it will probably help me to lose this week.

Honestly I was more concerned when I didn't start them it would look like I was tanking.

Yes I think this should go to a vote. Birdman and Ibavly have no vote in this since it directly effects them too much to have an unbiased opinion and they are obviously just gonna cancel each other out.

It will be a private vote but my vote will be the tiebreaker should it be tied 5-5. My explanation for voting in favor of Birdman is as follows;

I have always ran this league with a common sense approach. I have made rulings in the past when our rules didn't cover everything based on "what makes the most sense to me". In this situation there is no chance of angling and the only possible thought for Bird was "I am going to start this K/Def". I won't even say I wouldn't rule like this in a similar situation in the future. If your thought process is clear and there is no chance of angling then why be punished for simple human error or oversight.

Anyway I'm going to PM everyone tonight and I will let you all know the verdict hopefully tomorrow night.

I typed up about 3 or 4 different responses.

Summary: ****ty spot, too bad, get a lineup in.

If you know you could be putting yourself in a bad spot, i.e. potentially having to work late, cover yourself by having depth and have an initial lineup in.

FWIW, the only angle I see is Bird doing this on purpose, knowing we will probably vote him down...hopefully thats not the case here.

If this has any effect...today is my birthday. Perhaps a good birthday present from the league? That or bingo could give me calvin johnson.

I'm riding Calvin until his retirement in about a decade or so. Better hope for those votes instead!

Happy birthday, Bird.

Thanks!

I want to lean on the side of leniency

But at the same time you guys didnt let me put a kicker in my lineup despite the fact that an injury was announced after we stopped being able to do waivers.

I vote to let him do it though. I think that the site's software is kinda ****ty, to be frank, and it isn't fair for our results to be impacted as a result of that.

(yes, I have a heart once in a blue moon)

Its not the software, its the settings.

The final votecount is 5-3 in favor of Birdman starting his K/DEF.

Surprised at that result considering the posts by Chris, JD, Jrock's, Clown ITT.

No biggie either way on the result.. as I posted back and forth. I did vote no for the record, though.. surprised only two of those did. I was pretty torn, though, so happy with either result. Plus happy Birthday Bird effect.