In for whatever gets going next

In for whatever

I don't even know where the mirror game tournament started, but I think it was here.
Congratulations to team Cinderella (spelling?...) who I believe won it all.
Thanks to everyone who played.

How many games do you think it would take of codenames to determine the 'better team'?
Where P<.10

Should the next series just be whatever is happening for the Pogcathelon?

I think so.

~350

Well just put me in pogcathalon codenames games then. I'm not good at the other stuff to sign up for it too unless you need me to do them all.

These are the 2 Pogcathlon Codenames games:
* Regular
* Long List

If people could "in" in those threads it would make my life easier.

In terms of the Pogcathlon over all, play as few or as many things as will make you happy.

Here is an interesting question on a clue that was actually used in a recent game.

Is onomatopoeia 2 a legal clue for boom and whip..?

I am thinking about whether the meaning of the clue relates to the meaning of the words.

On one hand, the clue does not relate to the meaning of the words, and is more of a "hint" to pick onomatopoeiac words.

On the other hand, I have used clues before that had no really meaning link to the word I was looking for. For example, I used Johnny 2 one time to get Cash and some other word. Johnny and Cash have no meaning link (more of a "by association," or "by extension" link) so Johnny was really serving a "hint" to pick cash, more than a "clue" to pick cash.

Anyway, not looking for a ruling as I was ok with the opposing spymaster using onomatopoeia 2, but said we should post the question in the main thread after the game to see what people thought..

I'd say that's okay and don't think it's close. I don't see the difference between that and saying "birds - 3" for eagle, penguin, turkey.

I say it’s decently close but definitely okay to use

You can’t clue words by how they sound or are spelled etc

like saying “rhyming - 2” when the only 2 words on the board that rhyme are luck and suck

On the other hand, that is the definition of onomatopoeia and each stands on their own unlike rhyming which is about a pairing of words, so I think it’s okay...not too different from saying “sound” or “musical” to clue words like boom and chime

Btw, Johnny for cash is a standard clue, not even close

My 1st thought was it's ok, not close. But meh. It's actually kinda close to saying adverb - 2 or something, which would be unacceptable. Still prob fine, though.

I guess this is what I was thinking.

We are ok with colour 3 for red, green and blue (obviously), but not good with verb 3 for are, is and be. I saw onamatopoeia as similar to the latter.

It is no big deal, just interesting..

This actually has me thinking... where would we land on using the clue "action" for something like Litter/Run/Bomb? It's not as blatant as saying "verb" but it's really close. Otoh, those are all actions...

action would be fine imo

I guess maybe it's a little closer than I had initially thought. Still would not have batted an eye at it if another team gave it as a clue.

yeah. I told Prip that I was fine with it as a legal clue when he used it, but that for curiosity I would post in the main thread after the game. So, it was never an issue in our game.

Also sent him a poem that is chock full of every poetic literary device known to man....lol

I imagine lots of people studied this one at some point in high school or uni...

Dulce et Decorum Est

Wilfred Owen

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.

Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

This is for comment before it becomes a sticky....

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1st Draft - POG Codenames Rules

This post has been prepared to consolidate all Codenames rule changes/amendments that are specific to POG Codenames games. There have been several changes in the last two years, but they have not been consolidated into one thread, post or sticky, thus not all players are aware of them.

The original POG Codenames rules (set by Spurs) are in the link below:

games rules here

The face-to-face Codenames Boardgame rules are in the link below:

codenames game rules


New players should read both links, as what is contained below are only POG amendments, thus they do not repeat the vast majority of the actual game rules.

The following are POG specific rules that are in addition to and/or supersede rules stated in the two links above.

1. All clues must be one word only. While proper nouns are allowed, clues like George Washington or Brad Pitt are not allowed. You can use Washington or Pitt if you like.

2. Hyphenated words are NOT allowed. You can’t use Mother-in-law or twenty-three.

3. Common acronyms such as FBI, CIA, KGB are allowed.

4. Numerals are not allowed (e.g. 3.14159, 8675309, 911 etc.). You can use numbers that are not hyphenated in word form (e.g. eight, forty, three, etc.), but you can’t use hyphenated numbers (e.g. twenty-nine). Yes, it is silly, but it is consistent.

5. A word (other than a proper noun) is a legal word if the spymaster can find in in the merriam-webster online dictionary. So, even though a word like Sexpionage has a wiki page, it is not yet considered a word by merriam-webster, so it is not a legal POG Codenames word.

6. If a spymaster is in doubt about whether a potential clue is legal, check with the tourney organizer (if it is a tourney game) and/or the other spymaster. But, don’t ask either to bend the rules above.

7. Using an illegal clue. The penalty for using an illegal clue is (1) immediate loss of turn and (2) the opposing team’s spymaster gets to reveal a word of his/her choice.

8. Accidental infractions. From time to time strange stuff will happen. A spymaster might accidentally make a mistake in a board update, a wrong word may be revealed, etc. In these cases the tourney coordinator should resolve the matter. If it is not a tourney game the two spymasters can come to a fair resolution. It may sometimes be the case that the only fair resolution is to restart the game with a new board. However, that is a last resort.




Codenames Long-List rules.

These are additional rules for long list games.

17 reds, 16 blues, 15 neutrals and 2 assassin words.

Longlist Rule 1: There are two assassin words: If an assassin word is chosen, the opposing spymaster gets to flip an unrevealed word of his/her choice. If the same team hits both assassin words, they lose the game.

Longlist Rule 2. For long-list games each team is permitted to pick up to 2 extra words each turn (instead of the normal 1 extra word). For example, if you get a clue of Monkey 2 you can pick up to 4 words. Monkey Unlimited, of course, would still allow you to pick until you are wrong (or you want to stop).

Link to Codenames word randomizer.

Codenames randomizer

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Who decides if an acronym is common enough? Is there an online resource? (much like there is for proper words)

I think that rule should just be "acronyms are allowed". It shouldn't really matter how common the acronym is, because with no research, if your partner doesn't know what it means then it's tough **** anyway.

I would probably allow numbers and hyphenated words too. I think we have been allowing them the whole time?

Hyphenated words have been officially illegal for a while.

If I was king, I'd consider #s more like acronyms than hyphenated words, though.

& yeah, probably doesn't matter how common the acronym is as long as it follows the rest of the rule.

I agree that bolding common serves no purpose.

It is surprising that hyphenated words have been allowed in some games, as our original rules buy spurs (2016) and a brief amendment/update by Carl below were both clear on them not being permitted.

Carl's 2018 rules update post


We can see what more people think on the numbers/numerals thing.

numbers should be allowed as the official rules allow them (altho they don't give a great example)

way less confusing to allow them all instead of only ones you can spell without a hyphen

i'm indifferent on hyphenated, but have no problem with it