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07-07-2020 , 08:01 AM
Elementary is a TV show, which is most likely why it's capitalised. Helicopter was possibly the other follow word.

School could be a book word, but what's weird is the geometry 0 clue. Why give that if just to avoid line? It makes no sense.

It makes me wonder if school is even ours. Maybe it's pupil? But damn, elementary hits school so hard, it would be a huge gamble to expect us to not say it now.

I dunno...it's weird.
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07-07-2020 , 08:04 AM
We also got an unlimited clue, which would suggest that straw and rose aren't both ours since we ahould just get a 2 clue then. But I have no idea what else we're supposed to say otherwise.
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07-07-2020 , 11:36 AM
i've gone around in circles; i'll try to type up something coherent

i think i'm at: straw rose school cast

Elementary is a tv show and a school so gets school+cast while avoiding Shakespeare with words like play to get cast and school

i don't know that we have anything but straw rose for grass other than maybe wind, so let's consider if straw+rose makes sense
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07-07-2020 , 11:40 AM
the great mystery to solve is why geometry-0?

at the time he clued geometry - 0 we had our list as:
shakespeare (?)
school (?)
line (blue)
fly (red)
pupil (?)


if shakespeare and school aren't ours, why not Literature - 0 or Oxford - 0 or some other school+shakespeare thing?

instead he does geometry - 0 to get us off line (blue), but he coulda done line without school with other clues...he chose to do geometry maybe for line+pupil but why?

if shakespeare is NOT ours, then why not clue off of it (line+shakespeare is play, for example); and if it's just line that's bad, it was 3rd on the list so why a 0 clue right away instead of later? getting us off a blue word isn't that important

the most likely explanation is the rest of the list other than geometry is good so he wanted us to get a bunch of words

we need to solve the mystery of the 0 clue

if shakespeare, school, fly are ours and line/pupil are not then clue eyelash - 0
if shakespeare, fly, pupil are ours and line/school are not then clue ??? (geometry?)
if school, fly are ours and shakespeare/line/pupil are not then clue play (why even bother with 0 if it's just 2 that are ours?)
if shakespeare, fly are ours and line/school/pupil are not then clue ??? (geometry?) (why even bother with 0 if it's just 2 that are ours?)


if we assume shakespeare isn't ours as Oxford or play or similar is better than Elementary for school+shakespeare, then why did he clue geometry instead of a shakespeare word? most likely shakespeare is neutral while line is blue

geometry rules out school, yet with him going Elementary, he's asking us to go school again

something doesn't add up; i feel like we are missing something
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07-07-2020 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by POGcrazy94
Oops completely missed this

Yeah I didn't see fly first time around, that sounds good to me

Amazon
Shakespeare
School


Those 3 for sure, then it's autopass

Line and Fly for makeup next turn
maybe he misread this as we were going line next not as line and fly are after shakespeare and school, which weren't revealed, and thus the urgency to get us off line and maybe he didn't consider shakespeare or school then as he was just thinking of line+fly (and maybe pupil we had on our list) so geometry was for line+pupil and he didn't consider school


i think with Elementary as our clue, we have to assume this is what happened and so we can go school and since we now have 4 books, we can dismiss Shakespeare

School+cast for Elementary and Straw+Rose for grass and then bottles?
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07-07-2020 , 11:46 AM
clothing - 6:
cloak
button
hood
crown
fly
horseshoe

so that's done

book - 4:
novel
hotel
trip
school (elementary)

so that's done

P!nk - 3
soul
tail
helicopter? rose? cast?

grass - 2
straw
rose

follow - unlimited:
tail + makeup
maybe helicopter also

Elementary:
school
cast
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07-07-2020 , 11:49 AM
Bottle - not p!nk, grass, follow, Elementary
Cast - likely Elementary
Center - not p!nk, grass, follow, Elementary
Chocolate - not p!nk, grass, follow, Elementary
Deck - not p!nk, grass, follow, Elementary
Jack - not p!nk, grass, follow, Elementary
Ninja - maybe follow?
Pupil - not p!nk, grass, follow, Elementary
Rose - likely grass (maybe p!nk)
School - likely Elementary
Shakespeare - not p!nk, grass, follow, Elementary
Straw - likely grass
Washington - not p!nk, grass, follow, Elementary
Wind - maybe grass?

leaves us with cast, rose, school, straw
ninja and wind are stretches
nothing else really fits
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07-07-2020 , 11:52 AM
finally, why not just Elementary - 2 so we go school+cast and then makeup our next 2 words?

well this was the list posted by pc:
Tail
Soul
Horsehoe
Piano
Court
Rose
Shakespeare

the first 5 were guessed so rose+shakespeare is next on the list

my list posted was:
tail
soul
horseshoe
piano
court
straw
shakespeare

the first 5 were guessed so straw+shakespeare is next on the list


those were the only lists we gave and both had shakespeare, so if he gives Elementary - 2 then we have to go with shakespeare and rose or straw

so he gives unlimited instead, trusting we'll get school+cast and then will go with rose+straw for our 2 grass words and ignore shakespeare because school hits book and because he DIDN'T go with Elementary - 2 for the 2 makeup words
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07-07-2020 , 11:54 AM
so i think everything is resolved and makes sense with those 4 words

PC's "Line and Fly for makeup next turn" when we get 2 makeups each turn is a likely explanation for geometry - 0 while no other explanations that i can find make sense

it's also our best 2 grass words and our best 2 Elementary words


I'm open to other ideas as I may have missed something
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07-07-2020 , 01:37 PM
I haven't got a clue, most confusing game i've played for a while lol

Don't think we can ever not say School + Cast (completely forgot it's a TV show, deffo Cast over Wind in that case)

Shall we just say those 2 first and see if we are still alive?
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07-07-2020 , 01:39 PM
Let’s wait for d1 before saying anything
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07-07-2020 , 01:39 PM
What's another clue for School + Cast? Any well known TV shows set in a school? Audition perhaps?
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07-07-2020 , 06:47 PM
Yeah nich, those are my thoughts exactly, just with many more words heh.

I really thought school must be assassin before that clue. And rose+straw for grass just seems weird to me, but not sure how we can say anything else.

Let's just lock in those 4 and lose imo.
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07-07-2020 , 07:07 PM
school cast straw Rose bottles
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07-07-2020 , 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
school cast straw Rose bottles
School is red
Cast is:

Spoiler:
dark orchid
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07-07-2020 , 07:22 PM
Which means I get to reveal the last blue word:

Spoiler:
Ninja


GG, everyone. Will recap later, after some drinking.
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07-07-2020 , 07:24 PM
Rose
Hood
Novel
Crown
Tail
Trip
Soul
Piano
Straw
Hotel
Button
School
Shakespeare
Fly
Cloak
Horseshoe
Helicopter
Time
Czech
Oil
Pole
Death
Mexico
Line
Ninja
Dragon
Drill
Crash
Foot
Mammoth
Rome
Amazon
Skyscraper
Buffalo
Pupil
Wind
Chocolate
Bond
Fighter
Washington
Theater
Center
Jack
Bank
Match
Court
Deck
Sock
Cast
Bottle
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07-07-2020 , 07:39 PM
Ugh, why was elementary capitalised then?

Weird round, gg all.
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07-07-2020 , 08:08 PM
gg all
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07-07-2020 , 08:16 PM
School and Shakespeare?

Why not just Oxford or something?

Not sure how Elementary connects with Shakespeare


I guess he wanted just Elementary for school and then the 3 words we were discussing were straw, Rose, Shakespeare

I guess we spursed trip or hotel or school for book
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07-07-2020 , 08:16 PM
Gg frands

Was wondering if it was ninja and we spursed mexico
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07-07-2020 , 08:28 PM
This was a bizarre game. I think it's the first time I've ever capitalized every clue I gave. (And if I had to do a last one, it would have been Turtles - 1.)

I also wasn't certain whether or not 9/11 was a viable clue. To me, I see it as "Nine Eleven," which is a two-word (and therefore illegal) clue. But it would have been the perfect clue for 3-4 words, and I was struggling to think of an alternative (I chose Qaeda over Towers as the best I could come up with).

The other weird thing was how you guys were on the right track with every clue, but there was always one neutral word in the mix as well, and you always had that one at or near the top of your list (Match, Bond, Bank, Fighter).

ExxonMobil - 4: I screwed the pooch with my first clue. Should have just gone Exxon, but since ExxonMobil is the actual name of the company these days and I wanted you guys to get Mammoth as one of the target words, I thought I should go with the full name. I was targeting Drill/Oil/Mammoth/Crash (Exxon Valdez crash/spill), but Amazon and Skyscraper were possibles, as was Line (though it looked like they were going to guess that one for us). Unfortunately, the clue took you down the path of mergers, which led to neutrals Match and Bond.

European - 3: Czech/Pole/Rome were the targets here. Didn't see Bank coming, but I see how it could fit. Also created a lot of uncertainty around Shakespeare, which was unintentional but in our favor.

China - 2: I was shooting for Dragon and Ninja here (I know Ninja is Japanese, but I was stretching), with Mexico as a viable spursian answer.

Wrinkle - 2: By this point, Born had clued red away from Line, so I had to clue for it myself, and Wrinkle got us Time as well (you guys were on top of this immediately).

Qaeda - 4: A desperate substitute for 9/11. Crash/Death/Skyscraper, plus Ninja again (a stretch, again), and then you had room to still get Pole for the win. Alas, Fighter and Jack (both understandable) got in the way, leading to...

Nicholson - 0: Since Jack was clearly your next guess, I needed to steer you away from that so we could either win or get within one word of winning on this turn. You had Skyscraper, Crash, and Pole in your pocket, so it came down to that last word. And even if you didn't get Ninja, as long as you didn't guess Helicopter (which wasn't on red's radar yet) or School (which red thought wasn't theirs) or one of the assassins, we'd almost certainly get another turn. Wellllll...

We got a bit lucky at the end, but with Shakespeare still up in the air and Born needing to convince his team that School was really theirs, it was far from a done deal.

Anyway, great job hanging in there, blue. And tough loss, red.
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07-07-2020 , 08:34 PM
aaaaaye gg all - another crazy one!
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07-07-2020 , 08:53 PM
nails. Gj team
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07-08-2020 , 04:12 AM
Congrats nails/blue, gg. There were indeed lots of good connections but almost never purely red/blue.

Sorry guys, red had the better board imo but I screwed up multiple times and nails didn't return the favor. I have been waiting for a week to apologise for geometry -0. All of your guesses were solid, except maybe foot and not going 1 + 3 at the end, though the last one is actually also on me for the conflicting clues.

Clothing should probably have been outfit? I saw line but a little too late. Wanted to do this at the beginning because sock would be one of your first guesses.
Thought book - 5 would steer you more towards line/Amazon (well, book-4 did as well) and had some other good options for trip.
For some reason I was temporarily convinced school was already guessed and pupil was now high on your list. Sight/eye was actually one of my options there but maybe one of you would feel bottle had a lot of geometry equity which would make my life easier, and geometry seemed strongest for line (didn't wanna hit too much more neutrals/blue).
Not sure if foot was mentioned before that clue, else I might clue physics which is weaker for line but better for foot. (I was quite horrified when both foot and cast were in the cards, never imagined one of them would be. Still don't really get foot.)
I had some hopes when they guessed helicopter but I guess the capital E was the final blow. You might go Shakespeare (1 elementary + 3 make up words) if it was a small e, or if I never confuse you out of school in the first place.

Sorry again for the terrible geometry clue, I'm rightfully embarrassed. At least that made the game real tight in the end when they guessed the one word I didn't clue for yet.
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