when should i have died that i didn’t die?

more to the point, why would being a neutral make me more likely to be alive now than a villager?

the wolves don’t know my role. Why does them choosing not to kill me make me more likely to be a neutral?

I think it was in the neutrals' interest to delay killing the last wolf for a day or 2.

It's also in their interest to survive, but not in mine.

I probably don't claim neutral as a neutral but that's kind of hard to say, especially in the context of how it was done so I think I'll say that's probably pretty null.

I didn't actually look it up. ISO is anathema to me. I was rereading the thread from the beginning and the page where fnord entered screamed so much w/w with the known dead wolves that I didn't even continue my reread.

God I love the word "anathema."

in the past I've said ISO is against my religion, but I definitely prefer this wording.

i was so close to going paper

it’s been used at least twice in this thread

nicholasp27

I mostly associate it with Seinfeld.

George: "Students can't clean. It's anathema."
...
George: "They don't like it."
Jerry: "How long you been waiting to squeeze THAT into a sentence?"

Sometimes less is more and sometimes more is more. This was the latter time.

Since we're starting over fresh in the neutral hunt, her post was super villagery imo. Yours a wolf could make. I'm not really accusing you of being neutral. I'm sticking with aao there. But there are still two of them.

It's a weird spot for sure. Fun tough. Weird because it really is true that the game doesn't matter much up until now. I'm trying to think how it would and it barely does. I think tone can still be something though. SGT has come off super villagery. A few others too. And it's hard to not factor that.

“I read!”

“Books, Jerry...“

“oh...”

My feelings on neutrals are well-documented. It would be beating a dead horse to turn it into a long rant. WW would, without any reasonable dispute, be a better game without them. However, the fact that the wolf team just came in and got wrecked does make it a more tolerable situation to deal with.

Anyway, I agree insofar as I don't truly think that SGT is at all likely to be a neutral here, but that post was nothing at all clearing.

Regarding "it's hard not to factor that": neutrals are going to be more motivated than villagers in a game where the wolves have been quickly POE'd. I've slanked way harder than usual because this damn game has had all of one disputed lynch so far. My laziness has, on some level, been more rationally clearing than any tone stuff could be. I've never been trying to set myself up for an endgame run in the way that a neutral really should.

Obviously they want to keep wolf alive, but it's hard to give any credit for Fnord. Fairly group effort I'd say and Eric got villagery.
I do want to believe you.
Can you talk about what was going through your mind when you claimed bsball as neutral leader?

my strongest memory of the word is when it was used in it's literal theological sense

I went to Catholic school for 10 years. When a teacher explained the doctrine of transubstantiation to me (in the mass, the eucharist physically transforms into the body and blood of Christ; it's not just symbolic), I expressed my opinion of how absurd that idea is and was told it was a central doctrine and denying it is anathema or heresy. This immediately settled any question I had about my relationship to the Catholic Church.

According to polls, only about 30% of Catholics actually believe this, so this doctrine alone makes 70% of Catholics heretics and the rest morons.

I tend to believe LKJ but interested in Monte's take. I assume he'll say the same.
But at the same time I'm also sort of meh on it. Hard to explain the contradiction. It's like a head vs heart thing. And I don't even know which is which. I think my heart wants to believe LKJ and my head is saying it's bad to do so.

2 people had expressed "hunches" or whatever that I was a neutral. I thought bsball had pretty good neutral equity and that even if he wasn't, he was almost certainly a wolf, so I decided to have some fun and maybe get bsball killed off in the process.

I'd break it down something like

10% fps with an intention
20% fps out of boredom (no real drawback anyway)
70% making fun of those neutral reads on me

I'm calling aao/cracked.

yeah this might be it

Obviously I'm biased on multiple levels, particularly by the perfect information of knowing my own role, but:

I do think my game just makes far more sense as a villager than as a neutral. The one time I had any particular energy for the game was during the run-up to the one disputed lynch on d1. Then the village leaders got a consensus POE together that has been proven correct, and as I didn't have a ton of independent WIM coming into the game, I was fine with riding with what people had decided.

If I'm a neutral then I'm not going to have any motive to oppose wolves being pushed to death, but I just can't see myself taking the line I've taken. I would have to be relying upon...well...this very argument to be able to take me all the way to the finish line, which is a specious hope at best. I've basically been daring people to bring heat at me for the last few days now. It doesn't seem to be the thread's mood right now, but if people suddenly decided that I should be the next lynch then it would be understandable, and I wouldn't have much to say against it. I just can't see putting myself in that spot as the wolves are slowly POE'd to death.

But again, I realize that this is me knowing my role, so all of this probably makes much more sense in my own head.

(Basically I only ended up going down this line mostly out of objection to SGT being cleared for a post that anyone could make. It wasn't really supposed to be anything to do with me.)

LKJ showing up to play suddenly when we are looking for neutrals

hmmm

The correct reaction to that is to nod admiringly at me for only putting in an effort when it actually stood to benefit anyone at all. Were we going to get the wolves faster if I had been posting 24/7? I'd probably still be slanking if Luckbox hadn't pointed out that we can basically treat this like a fresh smaller game now, which is largely true.

But anyway, in terms of the next lynch, my above points are convincing or they're not. If the thread wants to lynch me then that's really the only argument that I know of as to why it would be a poor idea. In my heart or hearts, I'd frankly prefer being the next lynch, but my ethical side demands that I resist that.