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11-05-2008 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeTurd
Haha, yeah. I swear to God this is just a big level. No way there's all those weird-ass names and conventions in bridge. WP guys. Bet/call/raise/fold is all you need for a proper card game, and 'call' is questionable.
The technical vocabulary (otherwise known as 'jargon')for Bridge is very large, not only for bidding (for which this quiz only scratched the surface) but also in the play. Some examples:

Trump management: trump coup, dummy reversal, uppercut, overruff, elopement, cross-ruff, Devil's coup, coup without a name...

Finessing: intra-finesse, backward finesse, ruffing finesse...

Squeezes: simple squeeze, double squeeze, criss-cross squeeze, compound squeeze, guard squeeze, steppingstone, winkle, squeeze without the count (strip squeeze), repeating squeeze, suicide squeeze, Vienna coup, rectifying the count, non-material squeezes (such as the backwash squeeze)...

Defensive signalling: UDCA,Smith,Reverse Smith,Roman Discards,Lavinthal Discards, Rusinow Leads, Journalist Leads...

Other: strip-and-endplay, Grosvenor Coup (opponents always do this to me), Principal of Restricted choice (aka, The Monty Hall Paradox) - known and used in bridge play for at least 45 years.
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11-05-2008 , 08:42 PM
where's my entry?
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11-05-2008 , 08:45 PM
Sheep it, mon!

And what's the deal with everyone picking Roman Gerber? I mean.. I've actually PLAYED that convention, and don't know anyone else who has.

South African Texas was a great answer, btw, wish I had thought of it. I wouldn't have minded getting a 2 for that.
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11-06-2008 , 01:07 AM
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Bet/call/raise/fold is all you need for a proper card game, and 'call' is questionable.
Last time I checked this was incorrect.

This was a pretty funny RS to me it reads like bridge is a game played by gangsters.

HELLO gentlement.
To get the diamond, we'll pull a Reverse Smith on the guard, get in unnoticed on a Stripe-Tailed-Ape then grab the thing with a Transfer Walsh and get some distraction with Roman Revolving Discards.
Our driver outside will pretend to be a Checkback Stayman but to be on the safe side he'll actually be a Double-barreled Stayman.
Our contact man has already initiated the South African Texas Transfer for tomorrow.
DONT Crash too late tonight since we'll start the operation at 8 hundred.
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11-06-2008 , 01:20 AM
I agree with ZT. Nice level guys. Actually had me read the whole thread of random words put together nonsensically.
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11-06-2008 , 12:44 PM
Wait, what about my answers, composed entirely of conventions I've played:
  • super suction
  • 14-16
  • Polish 2D
  • power double (stripe-tailed ape's better, but not really a convention)
  • leaping michaels
  • two-way stayman (I'm weak here)
  • Roman keycard gerber
  • Mexican 2D
  • transfer advances of overcalls
  • Roman jump overcalls
18 points, while adding a couple to some of the leaders. I wuz robbed!
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11-06-2008 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces Mucked
Wait, what about my answers, composed entirely of conventions I've played:
  • super suction
  • 14-16
  • Polish 2D
  • power double (stripe-tailed ape's better, but not really a convention)
  • leaping michaels
  • two-way stayman (I'm weak here)
  • Roman keycard gerber
  • Mexican 2D
  • transfer advances of overcalls
  • Roman jump overcalls
18 points, while adding a couple to some of the leaders. I wuz robbed!
you won already. how many time do you need to win to be happy?
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11-06-2008 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by zhaorx
you won already. how many time do you need to win to be happy?
Umm...

Nice game, Zhaorx. Thanks for putting it together.
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11-06-2008 , 12:50 PM
BTW, my other, other answers, compopsed entirely of conventions that I use and like:
  • jump ball (I usually usually use something called TNT guava, which I'm sure you wouldn't allow)
  • 10-12 (10-13 if you allow non-standard ranges, as this is what I use most)
  • mini-Roman promising diamonds
  • two-way (pure penalty or pure takeout)
  • inverted psycho suction (only one source though, I suspect)
  • (extended) puppet stayman
  • kickback
  • none, really, but I'd have to say Polish club
  • transfer responses to strong 1C
  • Roman jump overcalls (said this already though; otherwise mini-Roman 2D as described above)
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11-06-2008 , 01:22 PM
Bridge Sheep game coming up shortly. stay tuned.
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11-06-2008 , 02:21 PM
Regarding the Striped-Tailed Ape double: I once invented a convention I called the Negative Stripe-Tailed Ape double.

(Some background: the STA double, is a double of a game contract when the opponents are on their way to a making slam. For example, if you double the opponents in 5H (vul) and they make 6, they get 1050, as opposed to 1430 for bidding the slam; however, if they redouble you must run "like a Stripe-tailed ape" because the redoubled overtricks are so costly.)

(further background: many years ago, many experts were experimenting with the "Negative Slam Double". In a competitiive auction (and assuming that a sacrifce would be profitable), they played that the double of a slam showed zero tricks, allowing partner to sacrifice if he held zero or 1 trick but pass with 2. Sounds great in theory, but in practice it didn't work well and was eventually abandoned).

My great (matchpoint) discovery was that when the opponents were vulnerable, you could make a STA double of 5 of a minor and sit for the redouble! 5Cxx+1 = 1350 (old scoring) whereas 6C = 1370. Unfortunately partner didn't always provide the 1 trick I needed. When he had 2 tricks, -950 was a bottom, and when he had zero tricks, -1750 was close to a bottom since other pairs seldom bid the grand. The Negative STA double was meant to solve this problem. When playing Negative STA double, the double of 5m (vul) in an obvious STA situation showed zero tricks; partner could sit with 1 trick even redoubled, but must run with zero or two tricks.

Unfortunately, I never could get anyone to play it with me, and then the lawmakers thwarted me by changing the bonus for making a redoubled contract.
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11-06-2008 , 02:54 PM
That was one of the reasons WHY the redoubled bonus changed in 1987, I am told.

And we haven't all abandoned the negative slam double -- I still play it with one regular partner, and recommend it to experienced partnerships (just make sure you're real clear on what types of auctions it applies.) I picked positive slam doubles in the reverse sheep expecting there'd be people who had only heard of the negative version!
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11-06-2008 , 03:06 PM
Mornington Crescent!
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11-06-2008 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Siegmund
That was one of the reasons WHY the redoubled bonus changed in 1987, I am told.
Yes, they wanted to thwart my beautiful convention. Oh well, the other patients here at the asylum wouldn't play it with me anyway.

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And we haven't all abandoned the negative slam double -- I still play it with one regular partner, and recommend it to experienced partnerships (just make sure you're real clear on what types of auctions it applies.) I picked positive slam doubles in the reverse sheep expecting there'd be people who had only heard of the negative version!
The problems I see with the NSD are:
1. It interferes with Lightner doubles and they-made-a-big mistake doubles
2. It's hard to know what's a trick and what isn't: is Qxx of trumps a trick? is a K in an unbid suit a trick, is Q9x or J9xx in their side suit a trick?
3. It gives too much information to declarer. If each defender has announced 1 trick, then when one of them shows up with an ace, I pretty much know what the other defender thinks is his trick.
4. As you mentioned, it takes a LOT of discussion to establish just when it applies. I know that some well-oiled expert partnerships had some spectacular disasters with the NSD.
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11-20-2008 , 06:05 PM
Two weeks late to the post-party. I've been waiting for an update in the other thread!

This was a lot of fun. Thanks zhaorx.
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11-20-2008 , 07:00 PM
subscriptions are NOT your friend.
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11-21-2008 , 12:36 AM
Yeah apparently. The bridge thread is the only one I read in POG (except now I'm starting to like sheep, so maybe I'll hang out more -- that's exactly what I need. Another forum to read. FML :-P )
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11-21-2008 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Wyman
Yeah apparently. The bridge thread is the only one I read in POG (except now I'm starting to like sheep, so maybe I'll hang out more -- that's exactly what I need. Another forum to read. FML :-P )
This.

I only noticed this because of the bump of the original thread. Please to post pointers for all bridge-related stuff in the main bridge thread, pretty please?
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07-17-2010 , 03:35 AM
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