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The person in direct seat needs to stop partner from saving when they have a sure trick. The person in pass out seat can choose to defend if they feel the chances of setting the contract outweigh the gains from a save.

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11-29-2021 , 11:01 PM

#16603

Harry the Horse

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12

Doubling 7C is tricky if your defensive trick is not an ace but something like Qxx of trumps, or a king. Anyway, I still agree with you that I should have bid 7D after their 7C and no double from partner. Teammates defended 7D so it was costly.

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11-30-2021 , 01:16 AM

#16604

3for3poker

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,505

Sure, that is true, HH. The key here is the favorable vulnerability. If it was even white/white it's not so clear to take a save that will likely cost more than their small slam. The risk reward for the save is just too good...

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11-30-2021 , 03:14 AM

#16605

Gabethebabe

Malware Jedi

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27,387

After 1C by RHO, 1S by LHO, 5D by partner, pass by RHO, 6D by me and 7C by LHO I am never saving. They just gambled a grand slam. Partner could have saved, but didn't. I'm done with the auction.

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11-30-2021 , 03:43 AM

#16606

chuckleslovakian

LYNCH DURRON597

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 35,895

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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe

After 1C by RHO, 1S by LHO, 5D by partner, pass by RHO, 6D by me and 7C by LHO I am never saving. They just gambled a grand slam. Partner could have saved, but didn't. I'm done with the auction.

I once saved on a similar auction. If partner had the hand I thought he had my save was correct...

But partner didn't. Partner said hey look my bid caused them to go incorrectly to grand. Have to say I lost that post mortem.

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11-30-2021 , 04:52 PM

#16607

sixfour

should be called sevenfour

Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 74,754

Needing to give some people Christmas gift ideas - what books, if any, are good on discussing intermediate-advanced bidding systems/conventions? I'm kind of at the stage where I'd need to know a bit more beyond the basic stuff if I ever start playing live and would like something that details the pros and cons of a bunch of stuff. Appreciate you could fill a whole book with just something like how to interfere over 1NT and that this subject is incredibly wide

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12-03-2021 , 07:56 PM

#16608

3for3poker

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,505

4 Martin Fleisher Chip Martel Bart Bramley Kit Woolsey Peter Weichsel Allan Graves A 1/2 - - 1 - - 14.00 58.33 14.00 3.92 Platinum Y - 4 - N/S
6 Marcel Verhaegen Katherine Todd Christian Lahrmann Alexander Sandin Jan Van Cleeff Onno Eskes A 3/7 - - 2/4 - - 13.50 56.25 13.50 2.02 Platinum Y - 6 - N/S

First session of the Reisinger, with a very tough field. Harry the Horse's team 1/2 off the lead.

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12-04-2021 , 11:35 AM

#16609

Gabethebabe

Malware Jedi

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27,387

Onno is pairing with Jan?

250kg partnership

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12-04-2021 , 12:00 PM

#16610

Harry the Horse

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12

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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe

Onno is pairing with Jan?

250kg partnership

You haven't seen me for a while, Gabe, you'd be surprised.

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12-04-2021 , 12:03 PM

#16611

Harry the Horse

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12

This one was fun since Jansma was at the other table in my seat:

A94
A3
Q874
JT72

KQJT7
KQJ4
A3
K8

4S, lead h8.

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12-04-2021 , 12:11 PM

#16612

Harry the Horse

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12

Crazy game, BAM. Exhausting too.

AQ2
A9
Q8763
AQ4

I opened 1NT 15-17, think that's good tactics in BAM. 2H nat on my left, 3C (invitational+ with diamonds) by partner.
3NT by me (still good tactics? I don't know, crazy game).
Partner nows bids 5C (no agreements with pd, first time we play in 20 years).

What now?

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12-04-2021 , 04:42 PM

#16613

Gabethebabe

Malware Jedi

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27,387

I forgot how to play bridge years ago

Heart runs to the king, Ks, spade to the 9, run Jc

On the second hand, **** it, with BAM I think you can gamble 6D.
5C is fairly obvious to play, partner isn't interested in 3NT and we have plenty of extras.

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12-04-2021 , 07:44 PM

#16614

Harry the Horse

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12

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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe

I forgot how to play bridge years ago

Heart runs to the king, Ks, spade to the 9, run Jc

You played like Jansma. Jc is for the ace, and they will play a heart or a spade back, so you will lose a diamond in the end.

Better to win the lead in dummy and run Jc right away. Then win in hand, unblock cK, and use the two spade entries to ruff a club in hand (queen drops) and cash the Tc.

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12-05-2021 , 01:03 AM

#16615

Wyman

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,011

I would assume 5c is ERKC for diamonds

Last edited by Wyman; 12-05-2021 at 01:04 AM. Reason: So I would show 2/with

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12-05-2021 , 06:02 AM

#16616

Gabethebabe

Malware Jedi

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27,387

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Originally Posted by Wyman

I would assume 5c is ERKC for diamonds

Never

If you play without many system agreements, you need to bid 4D to show a one suiter, not jump to 5C and hope/assume that partner is on your level of playing the "guess what I have" game.

Partner has a 6-5 probably and your hand is huge

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12-05-2021 , 06:05 AM

#16617

Gabethebabe

Malware Jedi

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Originally Posted by Harry the Horse

Nice

If I played it like Jansma, I can't feel too bad though

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12-05-2021 , 10:30 AM

#16618

Harry the Horse

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12

First one I wasn't sure about 5C. We never discussed Exclusion (you need to define the answers) so I assumed 5C to be natural, but no extra values. I had an easy 6D bid opposite a 6-5.

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QT
AKJxx
J987xx

AQ2
A9
Q8763
AQ4

Got a spade lead and teased the opponents by immediately throwing both hearts from dummy on AQs, and only then start thinking about the rest of the hand. RHO seemed annoyed with his partner :-)

LHO might have led a singleton club so I did not go for the double finesse in clubs, but just played a club to the queen. LHO took the king, taking 12 tricks. Lose the board. Other table bid 6NT. Did I already tell you BAM drives people crazy?

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12-05-2021 , 11:38 AM

#16619

Wyman

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,011

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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe

“Never” lol

If you play without system this is fine obviously. If I sat across a random expert today I would assume this was exclusion, and I would guess this is very standard across a range of top players, at least in the states. We are surely forcing if you bid over 3n. What’s wrong w 4c when you have clubs. Gives us time to work out strain and level.

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12-05-2021 , 11:59 AM

#16620

3for3poker

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,505

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Originally Posted by Harry the Horse

Great hand. I missed the extra chance of Qxx as well.

On the big minor 2 suiter...unlucky that they bid (and made) 6NT. BAM is an excruciating game.

When I have played day 2 of the Reisinger and gotten my head beaten in, I am reminded of this.

BAM is fun when you are on one of the better teams (as I am when we play the mixed BAM) and torture when you aren't. That is why the game died out at the sectional/regional level about 45 years ago. For whatever reason, it remains on the national schedule all these years later.

It's a little like poker was a long time ago: Limit games were the king at cash, but no limit for the WSOP.

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12-05-2021 , 04:50 PM

#16621

Harry the Horse

stranger

Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 12

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Originally Posted by 3for3poker

BAM is an excruciating game.

When I have played day 2 of the Reisinger and gotten my head beaten in, I am reminded of this.

BAM is fun when you are on one of the better teams (as I am when we play the mixed BAM) and torture when you aren't. That is why the game died out at the sectional/regional level about 45 years ago. For whatever reason, it remains on the national schedule all these years later.

It's a little like poker was a long time ago: Limit games were the king at cash, but no limit for the WSOP.

BAM is pretty rough for sponsors. Lots of their mistakes will result in a direct loss, which is confronting to them.
We weren't favourite with 2 client+junior pairs, and one pickup partnership, but it was still very satisfying to play at the highest level possible. And reaching the semis meant happy clients :-)

Really exciting would be to see a Reisinger with only top class partnerships, no clients. That would be the toughest bridge event, every board intense.

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12-05-2021 , 05:54 PM

#16622

3for3poker

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,505

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Originally Posted by Harry the Horse

That is more or less what the 2/4/6 sessions are like. Funny story, my first time in the 2d day, we were in at night. After playing a brutal stretch of 5 pairs, I looked to see our next opponents were Root/Pavlicek. I thought to myself, not so tough. They had WON the event 4 times in the previous decade...

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12-06-2021 , 03:29 AM

#16623

Gabethebabe

Malware Jedi

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 27,387

Semifinals in the Reisinger? Good job, Onno!

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12-08-2021 , 06:41 PM

#16624

Eric Clipperton

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 2,450

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Originally Posted by Wyman

“Never” lol

If you play without system this is fine obviously. If I sat across a random expert today I would assume this was exclusion, and I would guess this is very standard across a range of top players, at least in the states. We are surely forcing if you bid over 3n. What’s wrong w 4c when you have clubs. Gives us time to work out strain and level.

Wouldn't occur to me that it wasn't.

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12-09-2021 , 12:12 AM

#16625

3for3poker

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,505

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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe

Nice

If I played it like Jansma, I can't feel too bad though

He’s a pretty fair poker player as well. I did a double take at the 2019 WSOP when I sat down two to his right. He played well, and a bit tighter than I’d have expected.

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