It's dirty but you'll never win. Like angle shooting in pokerz.

What I figured. Which is why I didn't raise an objection, but whatever. Cheers bro.

Tough problem. I think 3d is probably right. Perhaps partner is redoubling to show values but uncertainty of strain. He saw redouble as a better option than pass.
With an awkward, minimal holding for our bid I think bailing out in 3d is prudent. Who knows, maybe we even belong in hearts and 2h bid is not fully accurate.
That would be my reasoning for a strong regional or weaker national event with new partner anyway, for a higher level event I wouldn't be confident in the same analysis.

A beer later and I want to rant more. What really pisses me off is Dad and I were a C team. I don't know if the hollywood had an impact on Dad's play. But dad is suffering through Parkinson's. Dad is legit trying his hardest every single hand he is on defense. After the hand he pretty much forgets it all. Even if I brought the hand up, even if the hesitation had an impact on Dad's play. He would have forgotten the hesitation.

As a poker player reading tells, there is absolutely zero doubt GLM's act was to pretend his play was a singleton. It just royally pisses me off a GLM takes advantage of what on the chart is a C team.

People suck and systems that rely on honor systems at all are totally flawed. Not trying to be flippant, I feel for you and agree with you... it just sucks. Guess I'm just cynical after seeing basically the same or similar thing a billion times. Sorry this happened to you man

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What can rdbl be besides business There is only one unbid suit.
Maybe the preempt was frisky, the 3C overcall was fine, but on the light side and the double could be aggressive as well, giving partner the best hand at the table.

Who was the angle shooting scumbag?

Should player memo the angle shooter. Nothing will probably come of it but people need to start actually using the system.

Yeah idk what you're supposed to do besides pass, seems wtp

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XX to play here is a pretty crappy proposition given you have just been doubled into game - can partner really have a hand where he figures them running and going for a number is going to compensate for 3CX making whilst also being confident that 3CXX is making ?

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3 diamonds is -500 when diamonds were 5/0 and 3 hearts is also -500 when hearts are 5/0 - 3NT is -800 although in practice it is likely -500 - 3C is an easy -1100

I think assuming you are on the same page that XX is rescue it is a standout bid with the given hand - Happy to possibly spend an extra 300 to find a better spot - I would say that though as this was my hand - Partner agrees with the majority here so -2200 was the score

Asking around and getting "When someone makes a pure penalty double, XX for business just isn't a thing," so I guess I am a fish like your partner.

The other frequent comments are "That dummy is exactly what a 3C overcall deserves" along with "plenty of time to find game if we belong there, i have a 10 count red in direct seat"

You're not flippant you are right. Look if a hollywood act fooled me, whatever I got fooled. It is possibly fooling my dad that pisses me off. I'm not going to name names because it is just a he said vs he said argument. But I really do think there it comes to a matter of pride. I had GLM doubled and against the wall. Dude was looking at -1100 and did what he could to avoid that.

Amongst the awkward debrief about -2200 he said "I shouldn't overcall 3C" - I was quick to disagree

"plenty of time to find game if we belong there" - I think this is exactly wrong and what a result merchant would say - give partner a great club fit and some random cards that don't add up to a lot of high card points and passing this hand is going to cost at least a game swing because you can be fairly sure this is your sides last chance to enter the auction

3C is aggressive but not offensively so

XX may be theoretically right but is terrible partner management if you don't KNOW he is on the same page IMO -- but if -1100 was losing a zillion anyway maybe was worth the risk on that given board.

I'll call my friends a lot of things, but results merchants they are not. Would love to see a sim here.

Gut says you're not taking 11 tricks if partner can't peep. Can they shut us out with a tactical 4M bid? Maybe. But we're probably going plus if that's the case anyway. Your clubs are just so repulsive that you've got no real downside protection here.

One more reason I hate the XX is that more often than not partner has absolutely nowhere to go, because they completely have their bid.

Yeah, but even a 4-3 is probably best here. One near certainty is that dbler has his bid...

meh - we are all result merchants at some level

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a bit extreme I suppose although I would want to be in 5C - say

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you are a shot at 6 and certainly want to be in 5 and partner is not going to act over even a 3S bid - the 3C bidder has a lot of playing strength when partner has clubs so I think it is fair to say that if he chooses pass you are missing game a chunk of the time

4S was cold on the hand losing just 3 spade tricks so -500 was not going to be a horrible thing to read out at the score-up and whilst I don't think shooting for the unfavourable 5 level dive is a big part of your upside overcalling 3C that is happening too

reading out -2200 is disgusting - thanks for the views - it has helped me gain some perspective

a 4-3 is usually worse than a 6-0 on this kind of hand, obviously depends on suit quality but at least the 6 card suit gets some trump tricks. The 4-3 on a trump lead can be very brutal.

Since this 2H opening isn't popular in acbl GCC world I don't know the proper defense... I would assume that 2N is natural/stopped majors, so what is 2S? If minors I would have bid that instead of 3C because of how bad the club suit is. I can't imagine you want 2 S as natural very often...

I would think you would want the option of 2S natural. This is basically a weaker version of Flannery, and 2S is generally used as natural against that.

Yeah that is the standard expert defence - I play a moderately popular system of 2 level openings where 2D 2H 2S all show spades and a specific second suit and range down to very poor hands so if you don't play that a spade bid over these openings is natural you will get occasionally robbed of your normal spade game

What does everyone do with

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after partner opens a spade? And if you choose 2m over 1NT or any gadget you might have, what do you do when partner rebids 2H?

I would always choose 2c, because you have such an easy 3d rebid after 2S and 2NT. I think after 2H you must also bid 3D and over 3M from partner 3NT. Such a misfit spot. Hopefully partner doesn't have

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heh, chuckles won one of the bbo massive daily tournaments