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Old 10-24-2013, 12:06 PM   #1376
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Re: Battle of Hydras Werewolf Game

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Ok, so iversonian/DonkDonkDonkDonk were villagers. The wolves know who the villagers are, and they wouldn't risk a loss in last night's vote unless both wagons were villagers.

Either gtpitch/kokiri is a villager

OR

gtpitch/kokiri is a wolf
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2 of these are wolves:
bhuber2010/timistere
KruZe/tmleafs1967 (very likely)
LeonardoDicaprio/gambit8888
Xkf

I think we need to look at gtpitch/kokiri very closely to see if we can narrow this down.
I don't understand the point about risking a loss in the vote. Why does that suggest to you that the remaining wolves must have been on the Ivers/Donk wagon?

For what it's worth, experience tells me that assuming that the wolves will vote as a block is bad. Usually they don't do it, even when they maybe should, and in this particular case Kokiri/Pitch were quite bussable yesterday.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:06 PM   #1377
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Look, I can deal with you suspecting me, it's whatever, people have wrong reads, but I resent that you're insinuating that I am not working to solve this game, because that's a direct insult to my contribution. Just because I also engage in discussions with people (and this interaction helped me to solidify my village read on you so it's been a positive thing - much of the game is about laying the groundwork for getting people into spots where they are readable).

If you have anything specific that you want my opinion on, then you can always ask. I am the one guy on maybe the entire internet who will go to ridicolous lengths to research or look into whatever.

#1 Wolf

kokiri/gtpitch

Case: Can be read here

#2 Wolf

KruZe/tmleafs1967

Case: He was peeked by metsandfinsfan/Forsythio

#3 Wolf

This is where I am in doubt. If we assume/hope that the first two wolves are actually wolves, then I'd like to find the last wolf through POE.

It 100 % can't be: tappokone/DWetzel (seer peeked) or me/HerbieGRD (I know my own role).

That leaves: bhuber2010/timistere, Klairic/notyouravgdrewbie, Xkf, LeonardoDicaprio/gambit8888, ReddBoiler/SuqAta8

I need to find three villagers in the above list. I will spend today on reaffirming my two current wolf leans and on making sure that I correctly clear 3 villagers out of these 5. For now, my reads/instincts are that you, Klairic, are a villager. And I find bhuber villagery too - but I need to reevaluate this and look at his previous games, because while he's making villagery posts (imo) I am disturbed by the lack of actual game solveyness. And I guess I am bit bothered by the fact that a lot of people who know his game better than me is not clearing him. Gun to head, I'd still say villager though.

Then we need 1 more villager. Xkf has potential SHC going for him, and Leo (not gambit though imo) has made villagery posts and so have ReddBoiler/Suq. So at least one wolf is doing a good job imo and I need to find out who it is.

From last nights vote, the 3rd wolf is likely one of bhuber2010/timistere, Xkf, LeonardoDicaprio/gambit8888

That should help clear myself and Reddboiler/Suqata8, as either of us could've voted for the villager to save the wolf, but we didn't.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:07 PM   #1378
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you actually posted decently enough redd, the other half seems to be the weak link in the armour.

But In the future I suggest you guys post more when your wolves because it's a pretty huge wolf tell from you 2
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:08 PM   #1379
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I don't understand the point about risking a loss in the vote. Why does that suggest to you that the remaining wolves must have been on the Ivers/Donk wagon?

For what it's worth, experience tells me that assuming that the wolves will vote as a block is bad. Usually they don't do it, even when they maybe should, and in this particular case Kokiri/Pitch were quite bussable yesterday.
they 100% have to wolves
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:08 PM   #1380
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I don't understand the point about risking a loss in the vote. Why does that suggest to you that the remaining wolves must have been on the Ivers/Donk wagon?

For what it's worth, experience tells me that assuming that the wolves will vote as a block is bad. Usually they don't do it, even when they maybe should, and in this particular case Kokiri/Pitch were quite bussable yesterday.
If it's a close vote, I'm assuming they're not going to vote for one of their own when they can vote a villager? Would be a sick play to vote your own when it's this close... but I guess I could see how it could happen.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:09 PM   #1381
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wait what??? Ok, explain this immediatly.
Wtf

I asked a few posts above if mets was capable of fake peeking as seer, since i dont much history with him at all

If hes not, and he peeked you as wolf, why would we risk lynching someone who could flip villa?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:09 PM   #1382
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you actually posted decently enough redd, the other half seems to be the weak link in the armour.

But In the future I suggest you guys post more when your wolves because it's a pretty huge wolf tell from you 2
The problem I'm having with you right now is that I dont think you actually believe that.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:10 PM   #1383
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Re: Battle of Hydras Werewolf Game

@ tappokone

What are your reads? From most villagery to least?

I will ask you to consider the following: If we lynch wrong just ONCE, we will be in must lynch. The wolves are obv leaving both me and Klairic alive for must lynch. If you trust that we're both villagers (which I think is the case), we will lose. Klairic will vote for me.

So I get that you don't completely trust me. But it's important that you do your best to reach a final conclusion on my role. Your final conclusion will almost 100 % decide this game. If you reach the conclusion that I'm a wolf, we've lost this game.

Sorry to put so much pressure on you, but it's all true.
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:11 PM   #1384
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Re: Battle of Hydras Werewolf Game

Replacement:

Quarrrr is in for HerbieGRD
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:11 PM   #1385
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you ARE voting gtpitch today so get your ****ing vote off me

EVERYONE IS VOTING THE FCUKING LAST SECOND SNIPING WOLF OR YOU ARE CLAIMING WOLF TODAY
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:13 PM   #1386
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you ARE voting gtpitch today so get your ****ing vote off me

EVERYONE IS VOTING THE FCUKING LAST SECOND SNIPING WOLF OR YOU ARE CLAIMING WOLF TODAY

What if I decide to vote the peeked wolf instead? Then what?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:13 PM   #1387
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Now this is getting interesting...
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:14 PM   #1388
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Leafs I'd like you to explain how you came to the conclusion that I'm a wolf with Bhuber and Klaric when now you are asking everyone to vote GTPitch?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:14 PM   #1389
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can someone point me to peeks please, were ghanna get to the bottom of these schenanigans
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:15 PM   #1390
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you ARE voting gtpitch today so get your ****ing vote off me

EVERYONE IS VOTING THE FCUKING LAST SECOND SNIPING WOLF OR YOU ARE CLAIMING WOLF TODAY
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also looks like the wolf teams are exactly

boober's team
redd and suq
klaric team

Why are we voting GTPitch if he isnt a wolf in your eyes?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:16 PM   #1391
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If it's a close vote, I'm assuming they're not going to vote for one of their own when they can vote a villager? Would be a sick play to vote your own when it's this close... but I guess I could see how it could happen.
Once you've started on the road of voting a wolf bro, switching to a villager wagon feels super wolfy. Wolves don't like to do it unless they can find some sort of a strong justification. Often they're just going to ride it out and hope that villagers make mistakes.

You also need to figure out what are the prospects of a wagoned wolf living to the end. If you think your wolf bro is going to die before the game is over whether you participate in his lynch or not, it's easy to decide that you might as well get some villager credit.

On average it's better to vote for wolves than for villagers, but you need to look at the wolves' strategic considerations beyond "lynching villagers good, lynching wolves bad."
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:16 PM   #1392
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What if I decide to vote the peeked wolf instead? Then what?
your ability to not understand what mets did when kruze entered the thread is rediculous.

why didnt he call me a wolf then? can you find me that post please? I posted 40 something times yesterday.

SHOW ME THAT POST
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:18 PM   #1393
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They were supposta be on the top of that list with a space at the bottom for klaric
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:19 PM   #1394
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your ability to not understand what mets did when kruze entered the thread is rediculous.

why didnt he call me a wolf then? can you find me that post please? I posted 40 something times yesterday.

SHOW ME THAT POST
Mets quoted a Kruze post and said "youre a peeked wolf"
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:20 PM   #1395
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Once you've started on the road of voting a wolf bro, switching to a villager wagon feels super wolfy. Wolves don't like to do it unless they can find some sort of a strong justification. Often they're just going to ride it out and hope that villagers make mistakes.

You also need to figure out what are the prospects of a wagoned wolf living to the end. If you think your wolf bro is going to die before the game is over whether you participate in his lynch or not, it's easy to decide that you might as well get some villager credit.

On average it's better to vote for wolves than for villagers, but you need to look at the wolves' strategic considerations beyond "lynching villagers good, lynching wolves bad."
Sigh...

Ok. So, there were a lot of last minute votes. The wolves are then going to already be on a wagon, and not change... or they're going to pick one. I'm guessing they're going to pick the villager unless they think their wolf buddy isn't saveable, in which case they could vote wolf.

Better?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:21 PM   #1396
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They were supposta be on the top of that list with a space at the bottom for klaric
You're not making any sense. The post you made said the wolf team is EXACTLY:

Me/Suq
Bhuber/Timi
Klaivic


If you left out GTPitch/Kokiri on accident, why would you say EXACTLY when that makes 4 wolves?
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:21 PM   #1397
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They were supposta be on the top of that list with a space at the bottom for klaric
Aww, thanks dude, I love you too
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:21 PM   #1398
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Mets quoted a Kruze post and said "youre a peeked wolf"
you need to take it into context of timing, that and kruze always gets told that in games.

why haven't you personally checked for peeks?

answer: because me n kruze are a free kill today thanks to mets stupidity
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Old 10-24-2013, 12:22 PM   #1399
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Aww, thanks dude, I love you too
no no u misunderstand
gt
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klaric

like that
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You're not making any sense. The post you made said the wolf team is EXACTLY:

Me/Suq
Bhuber/Timi
Klaivic


If you left out GTPitch/Kokiri on accident, why would you say EXACTLY when that makes 4 wolves?
there isn't 4 wolves knob
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