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Old 10-23-2013, 07:43 PM   #1176
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

having bhuber and timi as a stronger villa lean than me is pretty wtf

but ok
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:43 PM   #1177
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I was told? **** you dude.

I'm voting you because you are my #1 pick. No one has stood out as much of you. If you don't like it, piss off.

I don't give a crap if you're voted out as villager... you're not helping anyways.

Yeah, that's a bit emotional
spend the entire day on the game, more time than I've probably ever spent in a game, because I'm giving ww one last shot

get called out for not helping

I don't even... whatever... Screw this game. Screw ww. I don't know why I keep signing up for games and pour my heart out in them only to get stomped on and disappointed every time.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:43 PM   #1178
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

bros i'm here

still cannot condone a gtpitch lynch, what is another option
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:44 PM   #1179
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:44 PM   #1180
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now self vote
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:44 PM   #1181
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just woke up from a nap, im groggy but here
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:45 PM   #1182
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

not lynching gtpitch
not lynching reddboiler
not lynching thingy
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:45 PM   #1183
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Exclamation Vote Count 659 to 1181

Votes from post 659 to post 1181
Night in 0:15:44

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4 gtpitch/kokiri Forsythio/metsandfinsfan (79), HerbieGRD/Thingyman (81), iversonian/DonkDonkDonkDonk (29), ReddBoiler/SuqAta8 (22)
2 bhuber2010/timistere gtpitch/kokiri (30), tappokone/DWetzel (39)
2 HerbieGRD/Thingyman Klairic/notyouravgdrewbie (21), KruZe/tmleafs1967 (54)
2 iversonian/DonkDonkDonkDonk bhuber2010/timistere (47), LeonardoDicaprio/gambit8888 (87)
1 LeonardoDicaprio/gambit8888 Xkf (18)

:00 good :01 bad
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:45 PM   #1184
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

Thingy, you are dominating who votes for who, and not giving reasons. You are bullying and manipulating. This is very scary, as it shows you have a lot of power here without actually being in anyone's best interest but your own.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:45 PM   #1185
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ok lets get rid of thingyaids
question to everyone else:

so does KruZe actually suck as a villager? I mean, will he just legit sort of just vote someone out after they're spending a lot of time on the game, seemingly because... That person tilts them? I was told by someone that when it matters that KruZe will actually take the game very seriously.

Right now he is trolling and pissing me off.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:45 PM   #1186
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bros i'm here

still cannot condone a gtpitch lynch, what is another option
why? he has done ~nothing.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:45 PM   #1187
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why? he has done ~nothing.
OH THE IRONY!!!!!111
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:46 PM   #1188
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Yeah, this makes sense.

I guess I wish you shared more of your thoughts so that we could all benefit.
Time constraints. I would not have played this if not for the mason mechanic, because I've got a window of between 0-30 minutes in the morning to post depending on when I wake up, my work posting is going to be near zero this week, and what that adds up to is I'm coming into the thread with my first posts at about 2:00 PM and everything is pretty stale, and (as explained yesterday) I suck a lot more when I come into threads stale.

Tomorrow will be better than today but still sketchy until the last couple hours before EOD, and Friday will actually be pretty decent for afternoon posting, but it's not like I'm going to call in sick to play this.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:46 PM   #1189
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:46 PM   #1190
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spend the entire day on the game, more time than I've probably ever spent in a game, because I'm giving ww one last shot

get called out for not helping

I don't even... whatever... Screw this game. Screw ww. I don't know why I keep signing up for games and pour my heart out in them only to get stomped on and disappointed every time.
You're offended now? Dude, you throw this stuff around at everyone...
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:47 PM   #1191
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donk you and ivers had an approximately equal day today as you did yesterday
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:47 PM   #1192
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Thingy, you are dominating who votes for who, and not giving reasons. You are bullying and manipulating. This is very scary, as it shows you have a lot of power here without actually being in anyone's best interest but your own.
Klairic

Because you're new, I will state it in calm terms:

1) I have given reasons. I actually posted two very huge posts on both gtpitch/kokiri and iversonian/DonkDonkDonkDonk. I spent several hours on that.

2) I have explained why I lean villager on those that I lean villager on. If you want reasoning or explanations, literally all you have to do is ask.

And I am not dominating who votes for who. It is quite clear that I am not dominating ****. I am the one who is being played here. I am the one who is in a precarious spot.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:48 PM   #1193
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i'm ok with being second wagon, i guess. a censure but not lynch for slanking seems appropriate enough. although i feel donk deserves better.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:48 PM   #1194
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also to be noted it's been a long long time since timi randed villager

and that should at least be put in consideration when looking at his postcount stuff
I have. If he were even popping like 15 ppd I'd probably think him a villager for it unless every other post said "hi my name is Timistere and I'm a wolf".

I'm pretty sure it's been a long long time since he randed anything, so I'm assuming his old post count tells will still have some validity.

Plus the posts he did make sucked.

So, yeah.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:48 PM   #1195
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

thingy

why are you getting so upset
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:48 PM   #1196
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Klairic

Because you're new, I will state it in calm terms:

1) I have given reasons. I actually posted two very huge posts on both gtpitch/kokiri and iversonian/DonkDonkDonkDonk. I spent several hours on that.

2) I have explained why I lean villager on those that I lean villager on. If you want reasoning or explanations, literally all you have to do is ask.

And I am not dominating who votes for who. It is quite clear that I am not dominating ****. I am the one who is being played here. I am the one who is in a precarious spot.
If you're not going home tonight, then don't worry about my vote for you... no big deal.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:48 PM   #1197
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klairic i've really only skimmed your posts but seriously

if you're a wolf do you spend an hour+ reading and quoting 2 other players games and come to the conclusion of "meh"?
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:48 PM   #1198
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i mean i'm certainly not going to say timi has been villagery

he may be the wolfiest player in the game
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:49 PM   #1199
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donk you and ivers had an approximately equal day today as you did yesterday
I can see that
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:49 PM   #1200
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Re-read of kokiri

Okay. So I initially convinced myself that certain posts from kokiri yesterday were sort of villagery. But as I thought more about it and as well named pointed it out and as I grew more and more suspicious of kokiri deviating from what I consider his normal villagery self in other posts, I decided to just ignore those posts.

Now... Let's look at what think is unusual for kokiri's villager game from yesterday. I will quote some posts and explain why I think they're unusual for kokiri.

After I've done all that, I will go read some of kokiri's previous village games to see if I am actually even remembering his village game correctly. And then after that I will go check a couple of wolf games to see if hever makes levelly posts like the ones that I initially thought were villagery yesterday.

I will try my best to not have confirmation bias here - I don't expect to have any fwiw.



My memory of kokiri is that he's a paranoid and sometimes against-the-grain-kind-of dude - not that he will never state any reads, but he's independent and won't easily clear people. I am a bit suspicious that he would clear mets this early. I would expect him to be the type to make a point of not clearing mets too easily. I may be totally wrong on this - I hope mets can shed some light on this maybe.



I hated this and still hate it. I have never seen kokiri do this before as a villager. It doesn't resonate with my image of village kokiri as independent and confident. It reads very awkward to me.



I don't really believe that the first underlined thing is true. I guess we'll see though.

As for the second underlined thing, look at that in combination with this:



He seems very unsure of himself / weird stating this read. Going back and forth on a read can generally be villagery, sure, but from kokiri it doesn't seem believable. It more reads like wolfy waffling to me rather than his village game where he will just directly state what he's thinking.





Alright, so... Now to take a look at kokiri's day 1 in 3 recent village games:

Star Trek - kokiri as villager #1

This is his most recent villa game. He only had 15 posts, so I will just quote them all.































So things that I notice here:
  • He's pretty straightforward in his approach. He calls people out and votes them. He doesn't self-comment or waffle when stating his reads.
  • He tries to work together with other players - in this case mets. It does seem that he trusts mets in this game, as he apparently does this game, but he's being different about it - he hasn't really tried to work or interact with mets iirc and he in this village game he didn't state a lock villa read on him.
  • He complains about how the game is going - only a few people are trying, he says

Conclusion: All this is different from this game. He has shown none of the above traits in this game and has furthermore shown the opposite trait of the first point in the list: He does self-comment and waffle when stating his reads. This is usually a wolfy sign of wanting to overexplain one self or comment on things because one is feeling nervous.

8/2 VANILLA GAME - kokiri as villager #2

Again, I will just quote them all.



This is kokiri answering a question about how he approaches ww. Since he's a villager, we can take this as gospel. I don't know how much of this is useful knowledge, but I will re-read his posts later in this game with this in another window and see if it all matches up.

















Supine is the mod, so this is a joke, to be clear.

















  • He reads other people villagery based on agreeing with them / sharing their thought process. He has done this in this game as well - I believe it was fank he let off the hook because he shared a wolf read on... ivers? Or someone. So at least this aspect of his village game is in line with this game.
  • He's pretty straightforward again with his reads. The one "waffly" sort of read that he has is this: "i read soah's posts and was a bit o_O about them - I'm not ready to call him a wolf for them, but they were a bit weird and out of what i would think of as usual soah". <<< I'm trying not to have confirmation bias here, but I still don't think this is waffly in the same sense as some of kokiri's reads have been in this game, but I will reevaluate this later.
  • He posts his reads as he is catching up. I'm not sure he's had to catch up in this game though, so hard to compare.

Conclusion: Inconclusive for now. I will take a closer look at this later - it's hard to do when writing this up. He shows both differences and similarities to this game at a first glance.

Anniversary VI - kokiri as villager #3

Again, I will quote all his d1 posts.























To be clear, this is the game that I've had in mind when I've been saying that kokiri has been seeming different. I remember this game clearly because I was a wolf and I received a lot of pressure from a confident and independent kokiri.
  • He's very confident in this game and straightforward/aggressive with his reads. His read on me is a good example. He also taunts me sort of. Same with how he jumps at something chim wrote and how he reverses his reads on Herbie to not trusting him anymore.
  • It's only now that I really notice this: kokiri in all these 3 villa games doesn't really waste much time on villa reads or listing all his reads. He jumps at people or things that he finds wolfy. This is wildly different from this game.
  • And again, there are no levelly or weird self-comments like there have been in this game.

Conclusion: This points very much to kokiri being a wolf.

7/23 Vanilla 13'er - kokiri as a wolf

I will quote all his posts again.



































  • He does the "post reads as he's catching up" thing here as a wolf, so scratch that overall as a potential villagery thing for him - and add to that of course that he hasn't been doing it anyway in this game.
  • To the important stuff: Unlike all his 3 villa games, he starts this game off with a villa read rather than a wolf read. And he continues this with more villa reads and a lack of the straightforward, aggressive and independent wolf reads that he usually has as a villager.
  • He's sort of wordy/weird/waffly/not clear and adamant about his reads, unlike his villager game. Examples: "but for now I thought shipitup was villagery in a don't tell the seer what to do ffs sort of way, so I'll be unvoting." + "Historically, mail it in nich is a lock wolf, so if he is very terse itt then we should lynch him. However, i would tend to be a bit more forgiving with the posting elsewhere thing until it becomes a pattern of thread avoidance." + "TMleaf's posting is sort of high tempo wolfy, but from reading him elsewhere in pog i think that's just his posting style, so as i said above, i think that's a village lean from him" + "DividedSky is weird. (s)he seems to be in the thread, interacting, but is overly understanding of everyone's point of view, and seems to be avoiding any confrontation."

OVERALL CONCLUSION:

In all his village games he starts off by pursuing wolf reads. And he does this in a straightforward and silently aggressive way by which I mean: He's very blunt about it. In his wolf game he does the opposite - he's naming villa leans right off the bat as well, something that he didn't use really any posts on as a villager. In THIS game he starts off with a villa read in addition to a wolf lean - which is much more in line with his wolf game.

Furthermore, he gives a big reads list:



This is again more in line with his wolf game where he also did a re-read and also laid out a bunch of reads, albeit in a different format if anyone thinks that matters. In NONE of his 3 village games did he dish out a bunch of reads at the same time. So this seems to be something that kokiri does as a wolf to appear like he's contributing, plus maybe he has a easier time giving village reads in addition to only mainly concentrating on wolf leans.

To be fair, he does sort of address this himself: "That's way more reads than i normally have, wtf". But even this comment in itself is unusual for kokiri's villager game.

To expand on this, examples of kokiri being awkward / waffly / not aggressive and independent in this game:



This is waffling when stating his read. Something that he does as a wolf as shown above, and not as a villager as shown above.



This isn't like any of his village games reads.



He doesn't provide this type of elaborate and wordy and weird levelly type read in any of his village games. Also, notice that he words a post much the same in his wolf game: something strikes him as something "in a sort of way" - he's being unclear / vague in a way that he's been seen to do as a wolf.



When I as a wolf confronted him on his wolf read on me, he had the complete opposite reaction. Here he wavers and is unsure of himself, something that I didn't see in any of his village games.

Also, I won't say the below here is wolfy, but I am quoting it to make sure that people know that he said almost the same thing when voting someone in his wolf game ("DividedSky on a run-it-up-the-pole-and-see-if-it-waves basis."), so THIS type of aggression is not villagery for him.



Add to all this that gtpitch ofc hasn't done anything.

CONCLUSION AFTER THE CONCLUSION

Let's lynch kokiri.
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Here. Click through.

I challenge you to find one person who has given more reasoning for their vote than me.
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