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Old 10-23-2013, 09:44 AM   #751
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

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wolves like to push guise in a way where, after they flip villager, they can plausibly blame him for posting in a way they didn't approve of. they avoid situations where there will be blowback after the reveal, which villagers do all the time.

there are times when i think i'm being pushed by villagers, but this is not one of them.
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I was hoping not to have to break out the drudgesiren.gifs this game...

How is the red different from "vote wolfy people"?

How is it different from "if you think someone is a wolf, make a case on them"?
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Man I want to respond to this, but I can't now

Not at all the same, point in red is actually very astute imo
Herbie soft defending Iversonian when Felix points out a wolfy post by Iversonian.


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herbie is apparently open to lynching pretty much anyone except himself and kokiri

this is not villagery

his hydra Thingy has been reasonably villagery, it seems like they're working independently, so probably just pass it off as suboptimal villaging on Herbie's part for now
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i would consider this a villager tell if anything. wolves have 3 people they don't want to lynch. vanillagers only KNOW that lynching one player would be bad for the village.
Iversonian soft defending Herbie when Felix points out a wolfy post by Herbie.


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felix cfd

also ok with bhuber.
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this is untrue

he has stated clearly that he wouldn't want to lynch forsy/mets or bhuber/timistere either

but I still found the last part of your post funny :P
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and he also doesn't wanna lynch ivers/donkx4

wtf Felix :P
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[ ] this has historically been a villager tell

inb4 everyone irrationally agrees with iversonian and clears him for more ******ed mechanics posts
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:51 AM   #752
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Have you cleared me yet
Clearing people is anti-village!!!
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:51 AM   #753
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

kokiri

you here? I need to ask you a question and you need to answer it quickly
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:54 AM   #754
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Clearing people is anti-village!!!
Clearing wolves when you're wolfy yourself is

But that doesn't answer the question
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:55 AM   #755
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Cool, now I know that he can say w/e and not have to clarify anything when asked.
Don't be jelly
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:56 AM   #756
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Why do you care what I think of you if you already have me as a lock wolf and nothing I, my partner or anyone else can say will change your mind?
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:57 AM   #757
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Don't be jelly
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:57 AM   #758
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Why do you care what I think of you if you already have me as a lock wolf and nothing I, my partner or anyone else can say will change your mind?
You can try to change my mind

Thingy can't
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:03 AM   #759
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you here? I need to ask you a question and you need to answer it quickly
If I can answer it on my phone easily, yup. But be warned in advance that my inclination on being told what to do is to say **** you.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:06 AM   #760
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You can try to change my mind

Thingy can't
You remind me a lot of your last villager game yes

Forsy is also villagery.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:08 AM   #761
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You remind me a lot of your last villager game yes

Forsy is also villagery.
Both me end forsy? Amazing

Thoughts on boobies thingies and kokbitch
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:08 AM   #762
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If I can answer it on my phone easily, yup. But be warned in advance that my inclination on being told what to do is to say **** you.
Hmmm.... Sigh.

I need you to be at your computer for this.

Have you been phone posting this entire game? If not, let me know when you're back at your computer and I will ask you.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:13 AM   #763
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

well, on the one hand my laptop turns out to be on, and on the other, i'm not your dancing monkey
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:17 AM   #764
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Can't you two just discuss this in chat?
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:26 AM   #765
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well, on the one hand my laptop turns out to be on, and on the other, i'm not your dancing monkey
Have you played this game on your laptop?

It will only take 10 seconds - I swear.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:28 AM   #766
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

bout half and half.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:30 AM   #767
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

Actually, never mind. I can see that it's role neutral for you what I was hoping to see from you.

Cliffs: I'm reading your past games. I saw that you took notes in notepad in your village games, but I can now see that you also do this in wolf games even though I at first didn't notice this.

Incoming tl;dr any minute btw
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:31 AM   #768
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Both me end forsy? Amazing

Thoughts on boobies thingies and kokbitch
I don't know about boobies.

Thangies has been underwhelming, I expect more from herbie especially after last game when he goated it up.

kokiri has to make up for the fact that gtpitch isn't really playing which suggests they're wolves.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:33 AM   #769
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Actually, never mind. I can see that it's role neutral for you what I was hoping to see from you.

Cliffs: I'm reading your past games. I saw that you took notes in notepad in your village games, but I can now see that you also do this in wolf games even though I at first didn't notice this.

Incoming tl;dr any minute btw
fwiw, i take notes as both wolf and villager, maybe 1/3 of the time in total, and not this game
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:38 AM   #770
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Kokiri, could you elaborate on why EoD makes Ivers a great vote today? I ask because you didn't seem to have any sort of a wolf lean on him yesterday.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:48 AM   #771
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Re Kokiri:
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Cliffs: I'm reading your past games. I saw that you took notes in notepad in your village games, but I can now see that you also do this in wolf games even though I at first didn't notice this.

Incoming tl;dr any minute btw
I've been going through his old games, too, namely the day ones of the two vanilla games he has played this year. It's not helping me very much. Stylistically he seems to post about the same in both roles. His reads-making is a bit less direct as a wolf, maybe. Posting for the sake posting. There's a hint of that in this game.

He does some things in both wolf games that don't show up in the villager game. E.g. he opens by clearing someone. Later on he votes for someone to run it up the flagpole and see what happens. Actually uses the same metaphor in both cases. That's not the stuff strong wolf reads are made of, though.

Still seems like an okay lynch, but I can't say I'm confident in it.
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Old 10-23-2013, 10:51 AM   #772
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Re: Battle of Hyrdas Werewolf Game

Re-read of kokiri

Okay. So I initially convinced myself that certain posts from kokiri yesterday were sort of villagery. But as I thought more about it and as well named pointed it out and as I grew more and more suspicious of kokiri deviating from what I consider his normal villagery self in other posts, I decided to just ignore those posts.

Now... Let's look at what think is unusual for kokiri's villager game from yesterday. I will quote some posts and explain why I think they're unusual for kokiri.

After I've done all that, I will go read some of kokiri's previous village games to see if I am actually even remembering his village game correctly. And then after that I will go check a couple of wolf games to see if hever makes levelly posts like the ones that I initially thought were villagery yesterday.

I will try my best to not have confirmation bias here - I don't expect to have any fwiw.

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Mets is a villager, book it.

My most would like to vote right now is thingygrd.
My memory of kokiri is that he's a paranoid and sometimes against-the-grain-kind-of dude - not that he will never state any reads, but he's independent and won't easily clear people. I am a bit suspicious that he would clear mets this early. I would expect him to be the type to make a point of not clearing mets too easily. I may be totally wrong on this - I hope mets can shed some light on this maybe.

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god, hate being pinned for tunnelling. Time to sit back and have a rethink.
I hated this and still hate it. I have never seen kokiri do this before as a villager. It doesn't resonate with my image of village kokiri as independent and confident. It reads very awkward to me.

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One glaring weakness in my WW game: I don't really like going toe to toe, so I tend to back down when directly confronted, or at least rethink/second guess/w-e. Together with the fact that I'm rarely if ever around at EoD, I am used to and prefer to observe the thread from without, rather than being in the middle and work by interaction.

Also, I actually 180 like a pro, that's a strength in my game.

I pretty much stopped reading the whole thingy derail since it was so deraily. I guess I want you to be a wolf, but I'm not sure anymore, and so it's a put it to one side and revisit when less biased sort of scenario.

Let's lynch WN.
I don't really believe that the first underlined thing is true. I guess we'll see though.

As for the second underlined thing, look at that in combination with this:

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Ok, I'm caught up. I won't have time to post much for a bit, but my reactions to the eod etc are that Iverson is a great vote today, I still want to lynch thingy more than I want to not lynch him, xkf was villagey, Mets still looks villagery, whereas my early wolf lean on Leo looks like it was wrong.
He seems very unsure of himself / weird stating this read. Going back and forth on a read can generally be villagery, sure, but from kokiri it doesn't seem believable. It more reads like wolfy waffling to me rather than his village game where he will just directly state what he's thinking.





Alright, so... Now to take a look at kokiri's day 1 in 3 recent village games:

Star Trek - kokiri as villager #1

This is his most recent villa game. He only had 15 posts, so I will just quote them all.

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Wtf is the federation? I claim harry mudd.
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Mostly posting to subscribe, I'll be on later when I'm not working.

I'm pretty excited about this game.
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don't like this post


do like this post

so it goes

No one set off the kokiri sketchometer on page 1. I'd vote Remedy or maybe Bhuber, but neither votes really get me giggly.
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o_O
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First post doesn't feel like a natural response to the thread, second one does.
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Last game I can recall explicitly, Sun Tsu promised to eat his hat if he was a wolf, I bitched at you for being dickish, Val got lynched, and I voted right at final 3.

But I'm sure it's not actually the last game we played together.
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About to have tea, but everyone posting from here on needs to vote. This ids a shambles so far

Remedys
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agreed metsy. VR is sketching me out.

VR
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agreed, but that's more than enough reason to start a wagon.

Maybe she's just rusty.
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I was on VR. If 'bold/ "VR" /bold doesn't qualify as a vote for varaicious, err vouracius, err, VR, then she might be unlynchable ;-)

Voracious Reader
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We could be in an 'only an idiot would lynch a participating player' situation as of right now.
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oooh, this opens up possibilities.
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unvote
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no voting metsy novoting VR, let's find someone else.
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i dunno who to lynch mets. All i know is that we've got 3 or 4 people actually trying and i'm not gonna vote them for now. But you and i aren't here for night, which is going to suck.

Leafs? I vaguely recall not liking his 4 posts. Haha.

TMLeafs
So things that I notice here:
  • He's pretty straightforward in his approach. He calls people out and votes them. He doesn't self-comment or waffle when stating his reads.
  • He tries to work together with other players - in this case mets. It does seem that he trusts mets in this game, as he apparently does this game, but he's being different about it - he hasn't really tried to work or interact with mets iirc and he in this village game he didn't state a lock villa read on him.
  • He complains about how the game is going - only a few people are trying, he says

Conclusion: All this is different from this game. He has shown none of the above traits in this game and has furthermore shown the opposite trait of the first point in the list: He does self-comment and waffle when stating his reads. This is usually a wolfy sign of wanting to overexplain one self or comment on things because one is feeling nervous.

8/2 VANILLA GAME - kokiri as villager #2

Again, I will just quote them all.

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TY.

How do i approach WW? I guess I think make an effort to post reads and generally work at clearing myself by posting what i think and why, i generally think that the start of the game is a crapshoot but that it is the best place to find wolves when rereading several days later. I believe in tone reads in the first couple of days, my voting record tends to be bad/out of kilter with wagons, especially early but take me to the end of the game and i'll win it for the village.

As a wolf, what do i do? I dunno, try to avoid getting lynched? Stats says I've only played 3 long games as wolf, and won none of them (one I subbed in as a peeked wolf, thx a bunch Scott Howard), so i guess I don't know what i'm going as a wolf. I tend to be reasonably good at not getting lynched.
This is kokiri answering a question about how he approaches ww. Since he's a villager, we can take this as gospel. I don't know how much of this is useful knowledge, but I will re-read his posts later in this game with this in another window and see if it all matches up.

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i would vote vix or chrja, probably not Binkles.
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i read soah's posts and was a bit o_O about them - I'm not ready to call him a wolf for them, but they were a bit weird and out of what i would think of as usual soah. Thus your 'this seems forced' post chimed with my instinctive reaction, and is enough to get you village points at this stage (and thus hifi's post is probably even more village points to me - her reaction to soah and to your reaction to soah both accord with mine).

OTOH, both vix and chrja tripped the instinctive i don't like these posts alarm.
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180ing is good villaging.
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south east.

I've always been a gamesplayer - i was on 2+2 as a casual poker player and my dad was talking about this game called mafia when i noticed that they played it in pog, so i started reading games, ended up stuck here.
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This is wildly inappropriate. To be honest, I'm not sure why you aren't banned, but seriously, cut it out.
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i should point out that being confirmed from the uk and confirmed does not play ww means that I wont be around for anything like eod.
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i thought some of you kids operated a midday - 6am schedule.
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i'm willing to take action on me mistakenly voting/clearing supine at some point
Supine is the mod, so this is a joke, to be clear.

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Chrja

rereading atm.
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i thought smileys were for when you've just posted something deathly serious and pretty insulting, but want a get out of jail card.
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that was in like 2009? NFI. Maybe.
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Snap. I just pencilled in a wolf lean on you for page 1. Masons? Oh wait...
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more p1/2 reads: vyk07 is posting so much wolfy noise that it's gone from wolfy to villagery
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stuff like post 101. hmmm, that's not page 1.
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but generally lots of one liners, me no likey.
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reading through page 2 and into 3 and i'm reversing my wolf lean.

one liners feel lightweight, moreover questions are easy to post and look like you're working, without any real analytical contribution that is hard for wolves to recreate.
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i think it's a fair enough comment. Although, as i think i said in page 1, i tend to rely on intangible toney sort of reads on day 1, so it's a semi deliberate decision to let myself just read and see what pops out at me. I think i wrote some posts about this during the great Hoya tone read wars of earlier on this year.

And in my defense, i've fired up a notepad file to keep track of reads :P
  • He reads other people villagery based on agreeing with them / sharing their thought process. He has done this in this game as well - I believe it was fank he let off the hook because he shared a wolf read on... ivers? Or someone. So at least this aspect of his village game is in line with this game.
  • He's pretty straightforward again with his reads. The one "waffly" sort of read that he has is this: "i read soah's posts and was a bit o_O about them - I'm not ready to call him a wolf for them, but they were a bit weird and out of what i would think of as usual soah". <<< I'm trying not to have confirmation bias here, but I still don't think this is waffly in the same sense as some of kokiri's reads have been in this game, but I will reevaluate this later.
  • He posts his reads as he is catching up. I'm not sure he's had to catch up in this game though, so hard to compare.

Conclusion: Inconclusive for now. I will take a closer look at this later - it's hard to do when writing this up. He shows both differences and similarities to this game at a first glance.

Anniversary VI - kokiri as villager #3

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1) holy mother of god.
2) this:



struck me as weird. I've read like the first 30 posts and then skipped forward to the most recent stuff, so i don't really know much about the origins of this dispute, but chim's POV doesn't really match my thinking. OTOH, what I understand of Binkles's (right person, right?) is much closer to mine. I need to think a bit before taking this further, h/ever.
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i quite want to lynch thingy based on his entry.
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yeah, pretty comfortable with

Thingyman
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people are trying to read the thread?
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reflecting on this a little, i think that this exchange is easiest to explain in by V/V.
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the other person who i had an insta-wolf tone read on was the nothing about 2 pages back, but when i went to reread her she's got like 75 posts already. Ouch,
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day 1 of a 50+ player megamishmash i think they probably are, tbh.
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What can i say, i read the first few posts and wanted to lynch you - i guees the general tone on the first post + the Flash one rang false, then the list looks like you're working but i can't fathom giving a toss about it this early in a game this size.
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i was just starting to get comfortable with herbie, now i'm beginning to want to lynch him.
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well yeah, i suck at flash games, but no one's forcing me to play, so what's the need to make a post not playing. Unless you're a wolf trying to be here and active. Duh duh duh.
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hilarious. I was gonna make a joke about it, too.
To be clear, this is the game that I've had in mind when I've been saying that kokiri has been seeming different. I remember this game clearly because I was a wolf and I received a lot of pressure from a confident and independent kokiri.
  • He's very confident in this game and straightforward/aggressive with his reads. His read on me is a good example. He also taunts me sort of. Same with how he jumps at something chim wrote and how he reverses his reads on Herbie to not trusting him anymore.
  • It's only now that I really notice this: kokiri in all these 3 villa games doesn't really waste much time on villa reads or listing all his reads. He jumps at people or things that he finds wolfy. This is wildly different from this game.
  • And again, there are no levelly or weird self-comments like there have been in this game.

Conclusion: This points very much to kokiri being a wolf.

7/23 Vanilla 13'er - kokiri as a wolf

I will quote all his posts again.

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Sup thread. Luckduck is about the only person I don't want to lynch so far.

shipitup
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Tone? Pretty much everybody's entry set of the sketchometer. Luckduck's didn't. Qed ipso facto etc.
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I'm mostly posting to subscribe so that I can read on my phone, but I'll do most of my real work in the euro evenings.
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UK
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I'm reading over tea - I'll be in properly later, but for now I thought shipitup was villagery in a don't tell the seer what to do ffs sort of way, so I'll be unvoting. I also thought leaf felt genuine, but I'll try to be more concrete when I'm not on a phone.
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Historically, mail it in nich is a lock wolf, so if he is very terse itt then we should lynch him.

However, i would tend to be a bit more forgiving with the posting elsewhere thing until it becomes a pattern of thread avoidance. speaking for myself, I can post in the lc threads in my sleep, but focusing on a game thread takes more focus.
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True fact: before they were talking about phish on the pokercast this week, the only thing I knew about them was the ph.
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just starting to read for real, with a pad and ****. BBS with some reads.
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page 1: still don't like Bhuber's entry, feels forced; at the time i thought that LuckDuck's was fine, now i cannot see why for the life of me; TMleaf's posting is sort of high tempo wolfy, but from reading him elsewhere in pog i think that's just his posting style, so as i said above, i think that's a village lean from him; DividedSky, hmmmm - do we know it's a gimmick? Weird smooooooth entry.
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page 2: no content.
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this is a weird-logic-village-read



but this is a beard stroking curious reply to it.
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through page 3, i think luckduck has failed in his attempt to be a not transparent villager early.
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oh, i also liked Kruk's opening and i have faith in his system.

DividedSky is weird. (s)he seems to be in the thread, interacting, but is overly understanding of everyone's point of view, and seems to be avoiding any confrontation.
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I'm less villagey on SIU's work on a reread,

tylertwo's entry to the thread brought a tear to my eye and snap made me want to lynch him. The feeling hasn't gone away. LHCJay (do you work at the LHC?) seems to be making logically consistent points.

DividedSky on a run-it-up-the-pole-and-see-if-it-waves basis.
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broadly i'm most villagery on LuckDuck, and would vote tylertwo happily.
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kruk's maths confirmed pure logic.

I think that we lynch NichP tomorrow based on non-activity, but not today. Who else is not contributing?
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is that the illinois hadron collider? Intermediate Hadron Collider? What sort of collider is that?
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yeah, but what would happen if you COLLIDED your immunohistochemistry? hey hey?

(Sorry of getting yr name wrong)
  • He does the "post reads as he's catching up" thing here as a wolf, so scratch that overall as a potential villagery thing for him - and add to that of course that he hasn't been doing it anyway in this game.
  • To the important stuff: Unlike all his 3 villa games, he starts this game off with a villa read rather than a wolf read. And he continues this with more villa reads and a lack of the straightforward, aggressive and independent wolf reads that he usually has as a villager.
  • He's sort of wordy/weird/waffly/not clear and adamant about his reads, unlike his villager game. Examples: "but for now I thought shipitup was villagery in a don't tell the seer what to do ffs sort of way, so I'll be unvoting." + "Historically, mail it in nich is a lock wolf, so if he is very terse itt then we should lynch him. However, i would tend to be a bit more forgiving with the posting elsewhere thing until it becomes a pattern of thread avoidance." + "TMleaf's posting is sort of high tempo wolfy, but from reading him elsewhere in pog i think that's just his posting style, so as i said above, i think that's a village lean from him" + "DividedSky is weird. (s)he seems to be in the thread, interacting, but is overly understanding of everyone's point of view, and seems to be avoiding any confrontation."

OVERALL CONCLUSION:

In all his village games he starts off by pursuing wolf reads. And he does this in a straightforward and silently aggressive way by which I mean: He's very blunt about it. In his wolf game he does the opposite - he's naming villa leans right off the bat as well, something that he didn't use really any posts on as a villager. In THIS game he starts off with a villa read in addition to a wolf lean - which is much more in line with his wolf game.

Furthermore, he gives a big reads list:

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Ok, some early lolreads:

Mets is a villager, Iversonian, too (so stop squabbling Mets/D4), Tappakone too,

Thingy, Leo, Fank009 all seem wolfy

Thingyman/HerbieGRD

That's way more reads than i normally have, wtf
This is again more in line with his wolf game where he also did a re-read and also laid out a bunch of reads, albeit in a different format if anyone thinks that matters. In NONE of his 3 village games did he dish out a bunch of reads at the same time. So this seems to be something that kokiri does as a wolf to appear like he's contributing, plus maybe he has a easier time giving village reads in addition to only mainly concentrating on wolf leans.

To be fair, he does sort of address this himself: "That's way more reads than i normally have, wtf". But even this comment in itself is unusual for kokiri's villager game.

To expand on this, examples of kokiri being awkward / waffly / not aggressive and independent in this game:

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i'm rereading from the start.

leo has a hell of a wolfy start, way wolfier than ivers, although as someone pointed out, the helpful hyrda advice is a bit w/e,
This is waffling when stating his read. Something that he does as a wolf as shown above, and not as a villager as shown above.

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Riddle me this: two posts saying pretty much the exact same thing; my day1 tone alarm read strong village on mets' post, and wolfy on Leo's. Anyone who can tell me why, i'd be grateful, since i have nfi.
This isn't like any of his village games reads.

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i'm a bit mystified how i ended up on Redd's wolflist, in a sort of, the reasons he gave strike me as odd, not that you're not allowed to find me wolfy but still, i guess thus it's odd enough to be villagery, sort of way.
He doesn't provide this type of elaborate and wordy and weird levelly type read in any of his village games. Also, notice that he words a post much the same in his wolf game: something strikes him as something "in a sort of way" - he's being unclear / vague in a way that he's been seen to do as a wolf.

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god, hate being pinned for tunnelling. Time to sit back and have a rethink.
When I as a wolf confronted him on his wolf read on me, he had the complete opposite reaction. Here he wavers and is unsure of himself, something that I didn't see in any of his village games.

Also, I won't say the below here is wolfy, but I am quoting it to make sure that people know that he said almost the same thing when voting someone in his wolf game ("DividedSky on a run-it-up-the-pole-and-see-if-it-waves basis."), so THIS type of aggression is not villagery for him.

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let's run Wellnamed up the flagpole and see if he billows.
Add to all this that gtpitch ofc hasn't done anything.

CONCLUSION AFTER THE CONCLUSION

Let's lynch kokiri.
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I know that that's very tl;dr, but since kokiri is very likely the lynch today, I would like it if people read it. Or at the very least, I would like it if you just read the kokiri quotes from his various games to get a sense of whether YOU think he's different in this game from his village games and/or similar to his wolf game in this game.
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Thank god I always check how long a post is before I start reading it.
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I know that that's very tl;dr, but since kokiri is very likely the lynch today, I would like it if people read it. Or at the very least, I would like it if you just read the kokiri quotes from his various games to get a sense of whether YOU think he's different in this game from his village games and/or similar to his wolf game in this game.
I liked the points about having more villager leans and posting lists as a wolf. Looking at his second most recent wolf game, the North Pole Expedition from 2009(!), both of those seem to hold true. Here are his first three posts in that game:

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Thank goodness for rerands. Also, I'm pretty excited now i know i',m playing a game with LL and LC.

Soah makes sense, LC could be a wolf, and BSball looks wolfy.

LC's general style of play is to post loads of opaque ramblings and not much else.

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oh, and zhoarx has a couple of dodgy posts. Wahoo and Birdman are early villager leans.
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This is really forced and dubious. Wolf points





Does Birdman have much WW experience elsewhere? The post quoted above doesn;t really carry a newbish (newbian?) vibe. Other posts of his i thought were super villagey, but this one made me go hmmmm...





This is v vilagery



not sure i agree



Wolfy reply



64 is the original day1 wolfy mislynch. Net net this is probably villagery for BS, and noinfo for 64.



This is also a bit un-newbian.



interesting.

So my leans so far look a bit like:

LC, Semper wolves, Aao less strong but also wolfy, BSball, wahoo villagers, Birdman villager with a caveat.
Villager leans plus lists.
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