leafs, if youre going to attack me and redd, can you at least give some reasons as to why we're wolfy?

@ Klairic

If gtpitch/kokiri is a wolf, you're willing to concede that I may be / probably am a villager?

If so, this game is still salvageable.

@ bhuber

Your posts are just... Giving me the fuzzies. If you're a wolf, **** you, seriously, **** you so much :P

Here is the problem I have. I have a hard time finding any other pair that makes sense to be the third wolf in a trio that looks like this:

Kruze/Leafs
GTPitch/Kokiri
third wolf

You make the most sense to be WW/WW/WW with those other 2.

I'm gonna spend some time reading past bhuber games.

bhuber: I don't believe that you really think that of me... but no big deal if you do . I'm not all that talkative normally. I say something when it feels like I have something to say.

I also feel like kind of confident about both of my wolf leans, but the fact that I really am not confident at all about the third makes it evident that someone is playing a rather good wolf game.

Leo might have been/may be the peek but if he's not, it would be horrendous to clear him accidently and have him live until f3/end game.

Part of me thinks that xkf could be playing an excellent wolf game (yet again because he owned in the last vanilla) and just goes to show that I have no idea how to read him I need to get some meta with that guy because he's one of the few players that I struggle to read (probably just because I havent actually devoted enough/any time to actually reading his/anyone's posts in isolation this game.

^^ something that I actually tend to do in late game when its apparent that the wolves have to be amongst only a few remaining players.

If leo is indeed peeked v (which I kind of doubt because I think I am lending a little more credence to the kruze = w peek now that leafs appears to be going ape ****) then that most likely means that one of klairic/xkf is a wolf.

Leo seems to think that Xkf has been supremely villagery (and he may well be/I just suck at interpreting him), so that would probably lead towards me casting some squintyeyes.jpeg in klairics direction but he seems okay on tone for now too).

Yes. I'm not putting you on lock villager, but the heat goes down a lot.

Back in a couple hours.

Haha.

Believe it or not, the feeling is seriously mutual.

Like if you're a wolf, a big middle finger to you.

I find it hard to come up with/devote the time/find the WIM that you've shown this game and I am kind of shocked more people don't have you as a villager.

TBH, I think this is our first game together so I really dont know what you're capable of a wolf but that fact that you just quoted that soah post does scare me a tiny bit that I might be the only one clearing you incorrectly. (well, no one else seems to be clearing you for some reason and that makes me nervous).

If you didn't throw squintyeyes.jpeg at me, I'd be worried you're clearing people too easily.

On a side note, if gpitch/kokiri flip wolf OR leafs/kruze flip wolf, I am spewed clear by 2 wolves now...



This is good!

bhuber

I swear to god

we could not be more on the same page

well, with one exception: I'd put Klairic firmly in the village pile. But then again, I do like the reservations that you have.

So these posts are the sequence of events, you don't call someone a peeked wolf and then call the slightly villagry near the end of the day.

METS WAS FPSING, mets would never ever, ever, ever ever call kruze "slightly villagry near the end of the day.

IF METS PEEKED A WOLF METS WOULD HAVE PUSHED IT SOMEWHERE.

he never attempted to push me or kruze, mets never even talked to me once INFACT.

The only thing he said to kruze was "peeked wolf" on kruze entrance post and told the thread he was being slightly villagry.

villagers need to see this, get the **** off of me get on GTPITCH WHO SNIPED EOD!!!!



oh look boober was the next to be peeked

there is SOOOOOO MUCH TMI IN THIS POST, SO SO SO MUCH, IT LITERALLY HURTS ME TO READ IT

boober trying to say he was wolfy not villagry

HELLO PEOPLE, WE ALL KNOW METS, HE DOES NOT EVER SAY THIS EVER IF HE HAD A PEEKED WOLF

AGAIN NEAR EOD WITH POST ABOVE, METS WOULD NEVER DO THIS IF KRUZE WAS PEEKED WAFFLE

Just based on posting, it's...

Redd/Suq
Kruze/Leafs
Klairic
Xkf
Thingy/Quarr

Boober/Timi
Pitch/Kokiri

Obviously there's something terribly wrong with this because I don't have enough wolves. I also wouldn't be surprised if even the top guys in my list flipped wolves.

Redd has been decently villagery. Suq hasn't.

Kruze and Leafs would both get mild villager leans as individuals. It's worth keeping in mind that Kruze is a terrible wolf who has great trouble faking game-solveyness.

Klairic is further from the mainstream than I'd expect a newbie wolf to venture and he's contributing original thoughts. But having no meta at all makes this a non-reliable read.

Xkf is posting in a way that should be possible for a decent wolf to replicate, but that doesn't mean he's a decent wolf replicating it.

You have content issues, but a generally villagery approach in several spots. Guys like that do tend to flip villager uncomfortably often, I have to admit.

In the bottom category, Boober made a couple of reads posts yesterday that I thought were kind of villagery, 'cause he was amending his reads on the fly in a believable fashion. I have the notion that he's more likely to do that as a villager. That plus the :00 snipe were enough for Boober/Timi to leapfrog Pitch/Kokiri.

I have a difficult time seeing how Pitch/Kokiri could be villagers. It's possible, but I'm completely lost if it's the case.

This is probably a situation in which it'd be better to project confidence, but screw it. I've been trying to sound more confident than I really am all game long to appear villagery. Now that I'm a confirmed villager, I'm going to let my inner waffler free.

If you want to protect yourself, you should want to lynch Kokiri/Pitch first. Seeing as Klairic seems to think that Leafs/Kruze have been peeked, he's going to vote for them if they're alive at must-lynch. The earliest you need to deal with him is at F5. If you've lynch Leafs/Kruze first and it turns out they weren't wolves after all, you're in trouble at F7.

Heh, I actually agree (I think I have said as much).

I think that someone is obviously having a good wolf game (meaning one of klairic, leo, xkf) as of right now.

I think there is a solid chance that tappo is peeked (if he's not, we're probably going to lose the game/I expect him to be NK'd long before f3 if he is actually peeked so it shouldn't matter).

I do think that since klairic is a newer player that he would be having a great wolf game (especially as his first game ever) but he's posting in a way (even as a villager) that lends me to believe that he is a smarter player (even if new; so I am kind of having a hard time shaking the fact that he could still be a wolf mostly because all I have seen him do is tunnel Thingy/not really offer any sort of explanation as to who/why he thinks might be wolves (especially if he concedes that Thingy MIGHT be a villager, because I dont recall him having any other wolf leans)).

Then theres that Xkf guy. Yeah, I am not going to pretend to read him well. So I should probably spend a little extra time going over his posts (there were some ones I thought were kind of wolfy on tone/structure earlier this game but no one else seems to think he is wolfy/a lot of people have him as a villager...which might just mean that I am just wrong/my fears are misplaced and he really is just a villager...).

He hasn't read the thread people, where the hell did all these reads come from?

TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,TMI, TMI, TMI, TMI,

Forgot Leo/Gambit. Put them somewhere near you.

Actually I may have to agree with tappo on the redd/suq read, suq is terribly wolfy,
but redd yesterday was super villagry going back over it.

@ tappo

So... I'm beginning to think that you're right that tmleafs/KruZe are villagers.

I am a villager. bhuber is too. I need you to trust this. Klairic has to be. He just has to be.

So that's 4 villagers. W need 1 more. And I'd say ReddBoiler/Suq for that (but I will double check on this).

I hate to say it because two of these guys are leaning villager on me, but I am beginning to feel rather strongly that the wolf team is this:

gtpitch/kokiri + Xkf + Leonardo/gambit

What do you think?

No offense tappo (really none intended), but if you think me/timi are wolves, you really are REALLY lost this game.

I would agree with you on gpitch/kokiri, but that means that 2, TWO, two wolf teams currently have you fooled.

Oh wait, I forgot you. So we even have the luxury of adding one more to the POTENTIAL wolfy pile. I will find out who this shall be.

Its actually going to be pretty hilarious when leafs is bussing his teammates (pitch/kokiri) and is just a peeked wolf, therefore giving us 2 teams.

I really would chuckle a tiny bit.

(especially after not having gpitch/kokiri in his 3 "exact" wolf teams).

If Leafs/Kruze are villagers, then Leo/Gambit are peeked villagers close to 100% of the time, so that's a no go.

in my defense i was playing poker all day yesterday

was able to skim the thread a bit but not read over in detail and contribute to the happenings (plus it sucks posting from a phone)

was happy leaving our vote parked on pitchkok (since i dont think redd was around at eod), but then somehow ivers/donk was wagoned and lost the flip

I know this wasnt addressed to me but I do have some input (mostly because of the peek situation):

If kruze/leafs ARE villagers (which is possible and I am not discounting it because of what tappo has pointed out), then it means that he was not serious about that peek and its kind of likely that leo was INDEED is v peek.

Which really ****s with your current wolf teams.

What you think?

****

you're right

goddamnit

arghhhhh

and can we even leave kruze/tmleafs alive? And even if they die villagers, Leo/gambit has to be clear or else screw mets.

blah

someone is playing a great wolf game

but honestly, I think gtpitch/kokiri and Xkf have to be close to lock wolves

I need you to reconsider Xkf - take an actual look through his posts

if you think that I'm wildly off, please tell me