Klairik, also would like to know if you have played before and if so where and how much and same for your partner. I don't mind sharing that I'd be pretty content to see you lynched today after yesterday's, um, performance.

i dunno - his hydra's screenname is pretty sweet

Might look even sweeter in Red Font tho

Alright. I'm gonna quote all d1 posts from both DonkDonkDonkDonk and iversonian's 2 most recent villa games as well as their 2 most recent wolf games (well, lie, for Donk I picked 4th most recent instead of HP5 since he arrived very late to the thread on day 1 and in the 3rd most recent he barely even posted)

DonkDonkDonkDonk - HIMYM, villa game #1

DonkDonkDonkDonk - Scorsese, villa game #2

DonkDonkDonkDonk - 8/2 Vanilla Game, wolf game #1

DonkDonkDonkDonk - Poker, wolf game #2

CONCLUSION:

So he seems more toned down / friendly as a wolf than in his villa games - not that he's the opposite of friendly as villager, but he seems more focused, game solvey and to trying to dig into some stuff. Meh... This is thin, I'm not getting a solid read on either his villa or wolf meta... But it is worrisome that DonkDonkDonkDonk hasn't seemed game solvey at all in this game, but he's also less game solvey than in his wolf games even. There doesn't seem to be any agenda d1 for DonkDonkDonkDonk rather than to just make some posts here and there - he's not trying to catch wolves. But I don't know if he was just satisfied with what iversonian was doing / leaning on him.

When facing suspicion as a wolf, he doesn't show the IDGAF attitude that he's shown in this game:

QUESTION TO EVERYONE: Is this something that you've ever seen from DonkDonkDonkDonk in one of his wolf games? He doesn't take this line in the 2 games that I looked at. I don't know how much stock to put into that though.

I'm overall inconclusive on DonkDonkDonkDonk based on reading his past games.










Now to iversonian.

Okay, iversonian talks a lot of mechanics in Mish-Mashes and vanilla+'es, so I'm gonna focus on only vanilla games here. Or well, I should specify that the two villa games are slow games.

iversonian - Touhu, villa game #1

iversonian - Revenge of Burn Notice, villa game #2

iversonian - Buffy, wolf game #1 (Mish-Mash!!!)

iversonian - College Football, wolf game #2

CONCLUSION:

So iversonian's villa game is: Very active, very agenda-driven (there's almost always a secondary purpose to his posts or votes), pushing the action somewhat, taunting, somewhat direct

His wolf game has elements of his villa game, but it's all toned down. Or at least, he can also be sort of taunting / joking as a wolf. He lacks the agena-driven / game solvey aspect though to some degree. Meh, this sounds very general and non-specific.

Taking a look at this game... Meh. Inconclusive again. Maybe I'm just too tired after having spent more than an hour on this. I'll look at it again a bit later.

Interesting posts though from this game that I don't remember seeing in any of his above games:

In these posts he exhibits the following: Talks about his own meta, is quite aggressive in his tone to people (here: Felix), and says he can't explain a feeling that he has.

Looking at ivers' posts from past games again... He is aggressive in spots as villager, seemingly moreso than as wolf. I don't see any signs of him talking about his own meta or having unexplainable reads/feelings in either role though.

The overall conclusion for now is: Meh, still fine enough votes I guess. Utterly clueless on Donk, but iversonian is showing some positive signs, but I guess the worrisome part is that he isn't showing it more consistently as in his villa games.

Meh, sorry, I need to take a break and look at all this again a bit later. At least, now you can compare their past games to this game.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I am very skeptical of this

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

@ mets, Forsy and if there are any other people who played back in the day

gtpitch HAS to know my reputation, no? I was/am pretty universally known to have characteristic Thingy overreaction freakouts in my villa games. Is it wolfy of gtpitch to "not know this"?

@ gtpitch

Dude, how can you 1) Not have heard of my freakout in the recent reunion game even, and 2) How can you not recall my birthday game last year which we both played?

Man, I am finding this hard to believe, but I guess it's also a weird thing to pretend to not know :/

If your pitch is based on my "overreactions" or whatever, then I can save you some time: That is my village game.

I mean, I do it sometimes as a wolf too only to replicate my village game, but mostly I manage to not have to even do it as a wolf since it's only as villager that I apparently manage to always get myself into these spots (or I guess maybe it's only as a villager that I feel like I've gotten myself into frustrating spots).

Ok, so to be up front, this is my first WW game. I have a pretty good understanding of it, but I'm not overly familiar with some of the tells you guys will be aware of. Having said that, I'm really good at reading people. I'm not looking for "____ person said this, and that means they're a villager/wolf", but rather I'm looking for "why did _____ say ...."?

That's led me to think that there's something seriously off about Thingyman, and so far they're the only person that's stood out to me in this way. I'm quoting a handful of posts to share my reads. I've noticed a bunch more that seem off... so this isn't exhaustive, but it's a good start.

This is the first post that stood out to me (I started reading from the end back). It felt off... so then I looked to see if I could put reason to it. Not using a contraction on "I am" is often a tell of dishonesty.

Overaggro

Weird. You want to tell us how you're being role neutral? Why so defensive?

Now you're calm, cool, and collected.

Random accusation with no help to any of us to piece together why. Why should we believe you?

To you - a villager is unreasonable, and you're looking quite unreasonable. It seems like you're trying to look like a villager because of that.

None of these things on their own make the case, but to me there's too much weird stuff going on here to brush this off.

I'm still not 100% convinced of them being wolves myself... just that this is the strongest read I have right now. Going to look into some others now.

Also, I've officially spent my entire day on this game. Gonna be legit mad if I am mislynched for a third straight game after giving ww one final chance and instead of 2 pairs who are just not posting or putting any effort into this game at all. Legit mad.

So you're throwing your village game under the bus to protect your wolf game?

I'm sorry, this really isn't an insult or anything, but I have to say that I laughed out loud for a good while at the underlined. Again, sorry if that comes across as insulting your way of making reads - it may be right in general, I don't know, but it isn't in this case (maybe because I'm Danish?) and I found it to be a very endearing way of trying to read me :P.

Alright, welcome to ww. It seems like you're putting a lot of effort into it - much more than most newbies, so that's really cool to see. And it will influence my future read on you heavily.

Just to be clear: You say that you have a pretty good understanding of the game? How so? You've never played mafia/ww before - but have read stuff/read games?

Also, if you really want me to, I can do dig up 50 freak outs from 50 different village games? :P

yeah we aren't lynching thingy today

Dear god someone post short somethings so I can deal with thingy quote bomb later, my mighty 3G coverage dislikes me reloading page

That said I did skim it and I kinda agree with what I think his points are (though I really dislike long read posts that end up with reads of "I dunno" as they are a great way to appear to do work while not saying anything)

Not that I necessarily think that's what happened there

... ? No. I'm not sure I understand, but in any case the answer is no. I try my absolute best all the time in both roles. This doesn't mean that I play identically in both roles because there is no need or reason to do that.

also liking the cut of this klairic guy's jib

i would suggest that, like dwetzel said, you focus on reading the other people who are likely to be end of day options(bhuber/timistere,kokiri/gtpitch)

those mq's took a lot of time to make

i read through them and quite agree that the results are inconclusive

i think it shows that he went into them without an agenda

and anyways i don't want to lynch someone who has put in as much effort as thingy has

Yeah, I'm sorry, I was afraid people were gonna read it like that. But it honestly took me a lot of time, it's midnight here, and I honestly don't see any glaring or obvious differences or similarites like with gtpitch/kokiri. But in any case I tried to flesh out what I did see and I tried to make it easy for others to take a look at it all and get a read of their own.

Fair enough. It wasn't that the read was BASED on the "I am", but rather that helped confirm it.

Read through some games, and have talked with my partner Drew a bit about things... he's played a bunch (not here).

Yeah, that's certainly my weakness here... I don't know the standard tells from either side. Having said that, you're still the only person that's stood out to me so far. Going to go deeper into some others soon though.

I do remember the Reunion game but wrote it off as a one off because didn't remember any other time that it happened.

But prior to that, no, I don't remember anything about a meta like that

We aren't lynching me

We aren't lynching thingy

Get the **** over it

impressive effort thingy

that was serious even though it may haev come off sarcastic

it is highly villagery for someone to spend a ton of effort multiquoting and coming to a "could go either way" conclusion

wolves are much more likely to want to come to a hard conclusion after spending so much time gathering quotes. i've found sometimes when i'm wolfing and i'm prepping a MQ on someone and if the conclusion looks like it's going to be "could go either way" i'll usually bail on it

I did enjoy reading my past posting. There's some good stuff in there, everyone should learn from someone as good as me.

bhuber why havne't you voted anyone

Actually the "non reads in reads list" think probably more applicable from short bursts and not word bombs

Though I think a good investigation would be to see if thingy quote bombs as a wolf much

Homework assignment for people that are in front of a computer I think

ok. we can not lynch thingy today. not because i think he's a villager but because that seems to encourage the wrong behavior.

Back to my laptop in a few