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Klairik, also would like to know if you have played before and if so where and how much and same for your partner. I don't mind sharing that I'd be pretty content to see you lynched today after yesterday's, um, performance.
i dunno - his hydra's screenname is pretty sweet
Might look even sweeter in Red Font tho
Alright. I'm gonna quote all d1 posts from both DonkDonkDonkDonk and iversonian's 2 most recent villa games as well as their 2 most recent wolf games (well, lie, for Donk I picked 4th most recent instead of HP5 since he arrived very late to the thread on day 1 and in the 3rd most recent he barely even posted)
DonkDonkDonkDonk - HIMYM, villa game #1
DonkDonkDonkDonk - Scorsese, villa game #2
DonkDonkDonkDonk - 8/2 Vanilla Game, wolf game #1
DonkDonkDonkDonk - Poker, wolf game #2
CONCLUSION:
So he seems more toned down / friendly as a wolf than in his villa games - not that he's the opposite of friendly as villager, but he seems more focused, game solvey and to trying to dig into some stuff. Meh... This is thin, I'm not getting a solid read on either his villa or wolf meta... But it is worrisome that DonkDonkDonkDonk hasn't seemed game solvey at all in this game, but he's also less game solvey than in his wolf games even. There doesn't seem to be any agenda d1 for DonkDonkDonkDonk rather than to just make some posts here and there - he's not trying to catch wolves. But I don't know if he was just satisfied with what iversonian was doing / leaning on him.
When facing suspicion as a wolf, he doesn't show the IDGAF attitude that he's shown in this game:
QUESTION TO EVERYONE: Is this something that you've ever seen from DonkDonkDonkDonk in one of his wolf games? He doesn't take this line in the 2 games that I looked at. I don't know how much stock to put into that though.
I'm overall inconclusive on DonkDonkDonkDonk based on reading his past games.
Now to iversonian.
Okay, iversonian talks a lot of mechanics in Mish-Mashes and vanilla+'es, so I'm gonna focus on only vanilla games here. Or well, I should specify that the two villa games are slow games.
iversonian - Touhu, villa game #1
iversonian - Revenge of Burn Notice, villa game #2
iversonian - Buffy, wolf game #1 (Mish-Mash!!!)
iversonian - College Football, wolf game #2
CONCLUSION:
So iversonian's villa game is: Very active, very agenda-driven (there's almost always a secondary purpose to his posts or votes), pushing the action somewhat, taunting, somewhat direct
His wolf game has elements of his villa game, but it's all toned down. Or at least, he can also be sort of taunting / joking as a wolf. He lacks the agena-driven / game solvey aspect though to some degree. Meh, this sounds very general and non-specific.
Taking a look at this game... Meh. Inconclusive again. Maybe I'm just too tired after having spent more than an hour on this. I'll look at it again a bit later.
Interesting posts though from this game that I don't remember seeing in any of his above games:
In these posts he exhibits the following: Talks about his own meta, is quite aggressive in his tone to people (here: Felix), and says he can't explain a feeling that he has.
Looking at ivers' posts from past games again... He is aggressive in spots as villager, seemingly moreso than as wolf. I don't see any signs of him talking about his own meta or having unexplainable reads/feelings in either role though.
The overall conclusion for now is: Meh, still fine enough votes I guess. Utterly clueless on Donk, but iversonian is showing some positive signs, but I guess the worrisome part is that he isn't showing it more consistently as in his villa games.
Meh, sorry, I need to take a break and look at all this again a bit later. At least, now you can compare their past games to this game.
DonkDonkDonkDonk - HIMYM, villa game #1
This series of posts by mets just doesn't make no sense.
his first post on the matter
if it's a stupid conversation why add your $0.02 on the matter?
if the conversation was aids why join in?
Then takes a little trolling jab at hoya on the same subject.
Now it's possible that mets doesn't realize that a topic is aids before he's already posted a paragraph on the subject, he has 115,000 posts after all.
But, what I think is happening here, is mets realizes that the subject is counter-productive for the village, wants to gain villager points for saying so, but also desperately wants the conversation to continue.
his first post on the matter
if it's a stupid conversation why add your $0.02 on the matter?
if the conversation was aids why join in?
Then takes a little trolling jab at hoya on the same subject.
Now it's possible that mets doesn't realize that a topic is aids before he's already posted a paragraph on the subject, he has 115,000 posts after all.
But, what I think is happening here, is mets realizes that the subject is counter-productive for the village, wants to gain villager points for saying so, but also desperately wants the conversation to continue.
Please guys can we learn from the willage in the harry potter game and not produce such a laxidasical performance this time. It was funny then because I was a wolf but now I'm a villager so people need to step the **** up.
UAW is a villager, you can take it to the bank (not a peek).
VMF seems different from his wolf game in HP, so villager points y'all.
UAW is a villager, you can take it to the bank (not a peek).
VMF seems different from his wolf game in HP, so villager points y'all.
So he seems more toned down / friendly as a wolf than in his villa games - not that he's the opposite of friendly as villager, but he seems more focused, game solvey and to trying to dig into some stuff. Meh... This is thin, I'm not getting a solid read on either his villa or wolf meta... But it is worrisome that DonkDonkDonkDonk hasn't seemed game solvey at all in this game, but he's also less game solvey than in his wolf games even. There doesn't seem to be any agenda d1 for DonkDonkDonkDonk rather than to just make some posts here and there - he's not trying to catch wolves. But I don't know if he was just satisfied with what iversonian was doing / leaning on him.
When facing suspicion as a wolf, he doesn't show the IDGAF attitude that he's shown in this game:
I'm overall inconclusive on DonkDonkDonkDonk based on reading his past games.
Now to iversonian.
Okay, iversonian talks a lot of mechanics in Mish-Mashes and vanilla+'es, so I'm gonna focus on only vanilla games here. Or well, I should specify that the two villa games are slow games.
iversonian - Touhu, villa game #1
mets, i explicitly said earlier that my vote on you was based on nothing. yet, you keep asking me to quote your wolfy post that is the basis for my vote. it's as though you want to say, "see, he can't produce the post. he lied about why he's voting me!"
i want to know your thought process first, but this is not a good look.
i want to know your thought process first, but this is not a good look.
nope, im afraid you'll have to quote it if i ever said you were wolfier. i said that i looked at your voters, the other guy's voters, their post counts, tossed some dice in a bowl and whispered some incantations and looked up at the sky to see the patterns that the crows were circling in, then decided to vote you.
in conclusion, mets cannot explain how he came to understand that i voted him for being wolfy when i never said that. a wolf knows he's a wolf and is always afraid that the most innocuous post of his may have outed him even if nobody caught it.
the wicked flee where none pursueth.
the wicked flee where none pursueth.
also, notice how mets tried to curry favor with me earlier by saying that he was the only one who agreed with some d1 strat stuff i mentioned a couple games ago? why would a villager be playing that card to try to get one guy whose role is unknown off his back?
that post also makes way more sense for a wolf to make.
that post also makes way more sense for a wolf to make.
aicirt,
you mean as opposed to the content-rich soul-piercing entrance post t0an reads that errbody else does? seriously, i'm the only guy that ever tries to get wagon people and get reactions on d1. not only do i not get the credit for laying the foundation for later days, i even get called out for not doing the standard make-work MQs, which are of zero value, basically.
you mean as opposed to the content-rich soul-piercing entrance post t0an reads that errbody else does? seriously, i'm the only guy that ever tries to get wagon people and get reactions on d1. not only do i not get the credit for laying the foundation for later days, i even get called out for not doing the standard make-work MQs, which are of zero value, basically.
there's a few things i could say about the last mq, but this jumped out:
ur supposed to tell us what this says about my role. that's the whole point of rereading someone. don't just restate what i did.
whether v or w, this is just makework mq'ing. get in here, interact, make hard posts and try to make your role known to others.
ur supposed to tell us what this says about my role. that's the whole point of rereading someone. don't just restate what i did.
whether v or w, this is just makework mq'ing. get in here, interact, make hard posts and try to make your role known to others.
how can you foresee me slipping down if you don't know what i'm going to post in the future?
i noticed some villagery posts by leafs before that make me not want to lunch him. couldn't cite chapter & verse right now, but i might later if he's a serious wagon.
also, you're askin for a killin by doin all that work, and i'd like to have you around more.
i noticed some villagery posts by leafs before that make me not want to lunch him. couldn't cite chapter & verse right now, but i might later if he's a serious wagon.
also, you're askin for a killin by doin all that work, and i'd like to have you around more.
i think you guys are way overplaying to mets' meta. you can't give him villager credit for doing stuff that is 1. anti-villagery and 2. easy to do as a wolf, even if he is apt to do it a lot as a villager.
i can follow sim's thought process. that's good. and i prefer xxsooted over leafs or dice.
i can follow sim's thought process. that's good. and i prefer xxsooted over leafs or dice.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...-seer-1225477/
seer,
please to read it and mebbe do it if you peeked wolf?
seer,
please to read it and mebbe do it if you peeked wolf?
steve, i wouldn't vote soah as a wolf. as i always keep saying, village only gains information when we have wagons that are actual threats to be lynched. i did this so that the wolves will have to react to this in a way that gives away info, rather than just doing rando votes.
as for the game, i wish shipitup wouldn't aids it up so much.
i don't have any leans atm. i try to avoid t0an reading early d1. once we have wagons and see how people respond to them, then i will try to figure out people's roles. would be nice if we had a voat count or something.
as for the game, i wish shipitup wouldn't aids it up so much.
i don't have any leans atm. i try to avoid t0an reading early d1. once we have wagons and see how people respond to them, then i will try to figure out people's roles. would be nice if we had a voat count or something.
i was just thinking, either this game kills turbos for a while, or it's a great lead into turbo night. not sure which effect will dominate.
people rejoicing like hifi at supposedly having randed villa are usually the easiest to read in a couple days. they will hate playing by then
gonna go out on a limb here and say that wings makes to f5 at least, unless he's seer. neither team ever wants to kill him, for some reason. i guess they think he'll drop dead of his own accord if they just ignore him long enough.
mb, indeed, i am the ninth wolf. we have already achieved majority and this whole day/game is just a sham. i can't wait to read the butthurt when yg reveals his troll job.
shipitup
i'm going to hate this game if anyone clears him for his ******edness earlier.
people rejoicing like hifi at supposedly having randed villa are usually the easiest to read in a couple days. they will hate playing by then
gonna go out on a limb here and say that wings makes to f5 at least, unless he's seer. neither team ever wants to kill him, for some reason. i guess they think he'll drop dead of his own accord if they just ignore him long enough.
mb, indeed, i am the ninth wolf. we have already achieved majority and this whole day/game is just a sham. i can't wait to read the butthurt when yg reveals his troll job.
shipitup
i'm going to hate this game if anyone clears him for his ******edness earlier.
i think the sufur "i'm an obv villager" x 20 thing is villagery. wolves actually feel a little guilty about lying, and have trouble doing it 20x in a row like that, even if it's something as simple as claiming villager.
definitely not clearing SIU, though. first, out of principle. second, he is a pathological liar who can do this as a wolf.
definitely not clearing SIU, though. first, out of principle. second, he is a pathological liar who can do this as a wolf.
i didn't know how many votes i had. that really didn't register as a consideration in anything.
i'm just a little bitter about annie, i guess. he trolls the game, sabotages his team, balances by playing like crap, and nobody calls him out on it.
i can't read him, though. just thought it needed to be said.
still a little bitter about se 3.0, where i poured my heart and soul into it and he sabotaged our team because he was off his meds and loony.
i'm just a little bitter about annie, i guess. he trolls the game, sabotages his team, balances by playing like crap, and nobody calls him out on it.
i can't read him, though. just thought it needed to be said.
still a little bitter about se 3.0, where i poured my heart and soul into it and he sabotaged our team because he was off his meds and loony.
i voted him as a policy lynch. i think i voted soah next, just to see what happens if he got 5 votes, but that wagon dissipated, for reasons i'm not sure. then i voted ship for his aidsiness.
the meds stuff is because, when he's sane, he's actually capable of playing ok. read se 3.0 if you wanna see how mad i was at him when he was off them.
the meds stuff is because, when he's sane, he's actually capable of playing ok. read se 3.0 if you wanna see how mad i was at him when he was off them.
so, either i'm a wolf or i should be an obvious villa?
i personally don't think it's possible for one to clear themselves to any high degree on d1. nobody's role has been revealed. nobody has yet voted for someone to lynch. anyone who argues otherwise is kidding themselves, or have the woat wolf game.
i personally don't think it's possible for one to clear themselves to any high degree on d1. nobody's role has been revealed. nobody has yet voted for someone to lynch. anyone who argues otherwise is kidding themselves, or have the woat wolf game.
So iversonian's villa game is: Very active, very agenda-driven (there's almost always a secondary purpose to his posts or votes), pushing the action somewhat, taunting, somewhat direct
His wolf game has elements of his villa game, but it's all toned down. Or at least, he can also be sort of taunting / joking as a wolf. He lacks the agena-driven / game solvey aspect though to some degree. Meh, this sounds very general and non-specific.
Taking a look at this game... Meh. Inconclusive again. Maybe I'm just too tired after having spent more than an hour on this. I'll look at it again a bit later.
Interesting posts though from this game that I don't remember seeing in any of his above games:
funny how people are voting me for doing the very thing i always do on d1 as a villager, namely, try to make wagons, whomever it is. when i'm a wolf, i pretend to have forgotten to do that.
well, actually, nobody's ever called me on it for not doing it as a wolf. might have something to do with me not randing wolf in a year.
well, actually, nobody's ever called me on it for not doing it as a wolf. might have something to do with me not randing wolf in a year.
Looking at ivers' posts from past games again... He is aggressive in spots as villager, seemingly moreso than as wolf. I don't see any signs of him talking about his own meta or having unexplainable reads/feelings in either role though.
The overall conclusion for now is: Meh, still fine enough votes I guess. Utterly clueless on Donk, but iversonian is showing some positive signs, but I guess the worrisome part is that he isn't showing it more consistently as in his villa games.
Meh, sorry, I need to take a break and look at all this again a bit later. At least, now you can compare their past games to this game.
My strongest read is tappo/dwetz is a villager. Maybe not for anything dwetz has done but because tappo has been villagery tappo. He's definitely capable of fooling me but I don't see any evidence of that so far.
leo seems pretty villagery
mets I'm going to call a villager just so I don't have to hear him rant and rave about how he should be clear and blah. to act like he can't play this way like a wolf is just lol though. forsythio (his hydra, right?) hasn't really posted much of anything that I've seen. all that being said - he isn't getting lynched today, nor should he so I'll call him disregarded or something
i thought boiler seemed villagery early yesterday when i was here but i haven't seen much since then
thingy is being thingy I guess? I know I've played with him a bunch before this game but I don't remember him being so overreacty like this in any role - he's like mets jr in this game
xkf made a few posts yesterday that seemed villagery plus I think the felix kill evidence points towards him being SHC so he's off the table as well
leo seems pretty villagery
mets I'm going to call a villager just so I don't have to hear him rant and rave about how he should be clear and blah. to act like he can't play this way like a wolf is just lol though. forsythio (his hydra, right?) hasn't really posted much of anything that I've seen. all that being said - he isn't getting lynched today, nor should he so I'll call him disregarded or something
i thought boiler seemed villagery early yesterday when i was here but i haven't seen much since then
thingy is being thingy I guess? I know I've played with him a bunch before this game but I don't remember him being so overreacty like this in any role - he's like mets jr in this game
xkf made a few posts yesterday that seemed villagery plus I think the felix kill evidence points towards him being SHC so he's off the table as well
I am very skeptical of this
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@ mets, Forsy and if there are any other people who played back in the day
gtpitch HAS to know my reputation, no? I was/am pretty universally known to have characteristic Thingy overreaction freakouts in my villa games. Is it wolfy of gtpitch to "not know this"?
@ gtpitch
Dude, how can you 1) Not have heard of my freakout in the recent reunion game even, and 2) How can you not recall my birthday game last year which we both played?
Man, I am finding this hard to believe, but I guess it's also a weird thing to pretend to not know :/
I mean, I do it sometimes as a wolf too only to replicate my village game, but mostly I manage to not have to even do it as a wolf since it's only as villager that I apparently manage to always get myself into these spots (or I guess maybe it's only as a villager that I feel like I've gotten myself into frustrating spots).
Ok, so to be up front, this is my first WW game. I have a pretty good understanding of it, but I'm not overly familiar with some of the tells you guys will be aware of. Having said that, I'm really good at reading people. I'm not looking for "____ person said this, and that means they're a villager/wolf", but rather I'm looking for "why did _____ say ...."?
That's led me to think that there's something seriously off about Thingyman, and so far they're the only person that's stood out to me in this way. I'm quoting a handful of posts to share my reads. I've noticed a bunch more that seem off... so this isn't exhaustive, but it's a good start.
This is the first post that stood out to me (I started reading from the end back). It felt off... so then I looked to see if I could put reason to it. Not using a contraction on "I am" is often a tell of dishonesty.
Overaggro
Weird. You want to tell us how you're being role neutral? Why so defensive?
Now you're calm, cool, and collected.
Random accusation with no help to any of us to piece together why. Why should we believe you?
To you - a villager is unreasonable, and you're looking quite unreasonable. It seems like you're trying to look like a villager because of that.
None of these things on their own make the case, but to me there's too much weird stuff going on here to brush this off.
I'm still not 100% convinced of them being wolves myself... just that this is the strongest read I have right now. Going to look into some others now.
That's led me to think that there's something seriously off about Thingyman, and so far they're the only person that's stood out to me in this way. I'm quoting a handful of posts to share my reads. I've noticed a bunch more that seem off... so this isn't exhaustive, but it's a good start.
That's a mischaracterization of that post. But we'll leave it be.
For some reason this is annoying me greatly though: If someone out there is actually suspecting me (lol) for my re-read of Felix the Cat, please let me know and I will show you that it is at worst role neutral (and should be considered villagery even, but whatever). Just ask and I'll show you.
For some reason this is annoying me greatly though: If someone out there is actually suspecting me (lol) for my re-read of Felix the Cat, please let me know and I will show you that it is at worst role neutral (and should be considered villagery even, but whatever). Just ask and I'll show you.
None of these things on their own make the case, but to me there's too much weird stuff going on here to brush this off.
I'm still not 100% convinced of them being wolves myself... just that this is the strongest read I have right now. Going to look into some others now.
Also, I've officially spent my entire day on this game. Gonna be legit mad if I am mislynched for a third straight game after giving ww one final chance and instead of 2 pairs who are just not posting or putting any effort into this game at all. Legit mad.
If your pitch is based on my "overreactions" or whatever, then I can save you some time: That is my village game.
I mean, I do it sometimes as a wolf too only to replicate my village game, but mostly I manage to not have to even do it as a wolf since it's only as villager that I apparently manage to always get myself into these spots (or I guess maybe it's only as a villager that I feel like I've gotten myself into frustrating spots).
I mean, I do it sometimes as a wolf too only to replicate my village game, but mostly I manage to not have to even do it as a wolf since it's only as villager that I apparently manage to always get myself into these spots (or I guess maybe it's only as a villager that I feel like I've gotten myself into frustrating spots).
Alright, welcome to ww. It seems like you're putting a lot of effort into it - much more than most newbies, so that's really cool to see. And it will influence my future read on you heavily.
Just to be clear: You say that you have a pretty good understanding of the game? How so? You've never played mafia/ww before - but have read stuff/read games?
Also, if you really want me to, I can do dig up 50 freak outs from 50 different village games? :P
yeah we aren't lynching thingy today
Dear god someone post short somethings so I can deal with thingy quote bomb later, my mighty 3G coverage dislikes me reloading page
That said I did skim it and I kinda agree with what I think his points are (though I really dislike long read posts that end up with reads of "I dunno" as they are a great way to appear to do work while not saying anything)
Not that I necessarily think that's what happened there
That said I did skim it and I kinda agree with what I think his points are (though I really dislike long read posts that end up with reads of "I dunno" as they are a great way to appear to do work while not saying anything)
Not that I necessarily think that's what happened there
... ? No. I'm not sure I understand, but in any case the answer is no. I try my absolute best all the time in both roles. This doesn't mean that I play identically in both roles because there is no need or reason to do that.
also liking the cut of this klairic guy's jib
i would suggest that, like dwetzel said, you focus on reading the other people who are likely to be end of day options(bhuber/timistere,kokiri/gtpitch)
i would suggest that, like dwetzel said, you focus on reading the other people who are likely to be end of day options(bhuber/timistere,kokiri/gtpitch)
Dear god someone post short somethings so I can deal with thingy quote bomb later, my mighty 3G coverage dislikes me reloading page
That said I did skim it and I kinda agree with what I think his points are (though I really dislike long read posts that end up with reads of "I dunno" as they are a great way to appear to do work while not saying anything)
Not that I necessarily think that's what happened there
That said I did skim it and I kinda agree with what I think his points are (though I really dislike long read posts that end up with reads of "I dunno" as they are a great way to appear to do work while not saying anything)
Not that I necessarily think that's what happened there
i read through them and quite agree that the results are inconclusive
i think it shows that he went into them without an agenda
and anyways i don't want to lynch someone who has put in as much effort as thingy has
Dear god someone post short somethings so I can deal with thingy quote bomb later, my mighty 3G coverage dislikes me reloading page
That said I did skim it and I kinda agree with what I think his points are (though I really dislike long read posts that end up with reads of "I dunno" as they are a great way to appear to do work while not saying anything)
Not that I necessarily think that's what happened there
That said I did skim it and I kinda agree with what I think his points are (though I really dislike long read posts that end up with reads of "I dunno" as they are a great way to appear to do work while not saying anything)
Not that I necessarily think that's what happened there
I'm sorry, this really isn't an insult or anything, but I have to say that I laughed out loud for a good while at the underlined. Again, sorry if that comes across as insulting your way of making reads - it may be right in general, I don't know, but it isn't in this case (maybe because I'm Danish?) and I found it to be a very endearing way of trying to read me :P.
Yeah, that's certainly my weakness here... I don't know the standard tells from either side. Having said that, you're still the only person that's stood out to me so far. Going to go deeper into some others soon though.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I am very skeptical of this
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@ mets, Forsy and if there are any other people who played back in the day
gtpitch HAS to know my reputation, no? I was/am pretty universally known to have characteristic Thingy overreaction freakouts in my villa games. Is it wolfy of gtpitch to "not know this"?
@ gtpitch
Dude, how can you 1) Not have heard of my freakout in the recent reunion game even, and 2) How can you not recall my birthday game last year which we both played?
Man, I am finding this hard to believe, but I guess it's also a weird thing to pretend to not know :/
I am very skeptical of this
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@ mets, Forsy and if there are any other people who played back in the day
gtpitch HAS to know my reputation, no? I was/am pretty universally known to have characteristic Thingy overreaction freakouts in my villa games. Is it wolfy of gtpitch to "not know this"?
@ gtpitch
Dude, how can you 1) Not have heard of my freakout in the recent reunion game even, and 2) How can you not recall my birthday game last year which we both played?
Man, I am finding this hard to believe, but I guess it's also a weird thing to pretend to not know :/
But prior to that, no, I don't remember anything about a meta like that
We aren't lynching me
We aren't lynching thingy
Get the **** over it
We aren't lynching thingy
Get the **** over it
impressive effort thingy
that was serious even though it may haev come off sarcastic
it is highly villagery for someone to spend a ton of effort multiquoting and coming to a "could go either way" conclusion
wolves are much more likely to want to come to a hard conclusion after spending so much time gathering quotes. i've found sometimes when i'm wolfing and i'm prepping a MQ on someone and if the conclusion looks like it's going to be "could go either way" i'll usually bail on it
that was serious even though it may haev come off sarcastic
it is highly villagery for someone to spend a ton of effort multiquoting and coming to a "could go either way" conclusion
wolves are much more likely to want to come to a hard conclusion after spending so much time gathering quotes. i've found sometimes when i'm wolfing and i'm prepping a MQ on someone and if the conclusion looks like it's going to be "could go either way" i'll usually bail on it
I did enjoy reading my past posting. There's some good stuff in there, everyone should learn from someone as good as me.
bhuber why havne't you voted anyone
Actually the "non reads in reads list" think probably more applicable from short bursts and not word bombs
Though I think a good investigation would be to see if thingy quote bombs as a wolf much
Homework assignment for people that are in front of a computer I think
Though I think a good investigation would be to see if thingy quote bombs as a wolf much
Homework assignment for people that are in front of a computer I think
ok. we can not lynch thingy today. not because i think he's a villager but because that seems to encourage the wrong behavior.
Back to my laptop in a few
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