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aardvarksrus
AriesRam voted J.D.
biggerboat voted ship it trebek
bobman0330
BrownEyedGirl voted
Caedus voted Karak567
DiggertheDog
dmk voted ship it trebek
essedarius
ewalsh420 voted DiggerTheDog
FCBLComish voted McAvoy
goofyballer
gtpitch
J.D.
Karak567 voted ReneLuske
LuckayLuck voted DiggerTheDog
Ludovic Banhammer
McAvoy voted VayaConDios
Nez477 voted J.D.
pvn voted Caedus
rchandra voted ZeTurd
ReneLuske voted Karak567
Scrubbo
ship_it_trebek voted Karak567
sixfour
Sun Tzu voted Xr8ed
Swiitch voted VayaConDios
Tao1
ughaulkghalugh
VayaConDios voted wahoopride
wahoopride voted ship it trebek
wdcbooks
well named voted BrownEyedGirl
Wiild
Xr8ed voted pvn
XXsooted
ZeTurd voted VayaConDios
Zurvan voted Swiitch


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BrownEyedGirl 1
Caedus 1
DiggerTheDog 2
J.D. 2
Karak567 3
McAvoy 1
pvn 1
ReneLuske 1
ship it trebek 3
Swiitch 1
VayaConDios 3
wahoopride 1
Xr8ed 1
ZeTurd 1

And I dont get the xr8 fascination with fcbl.

In the June 8th game Digger had a leans list with more than half the players on it halfway through d1.

He has barely posted any content this game

Reads and Information of Significance.

1. Luckay Luck - whilst many players suggest that this is Luckay usual villa game/tone. From my experience with (Two Vanilla games One where LL = V One Where LL= W both where I was Villa + Stars Wars = V/V in masonry) I perceive no discernable difference in Luckay Luck approach or tone. The thing that outted LL as wolf - was a misstep/slipup throughout his standard bounce up and down "snap" I have a wolf approach to early WW game dynamic. Given the lack of game development so far - I think it is premature to assign an alignment to LL and think a compare and contrast in logic as best approach to determining alignment rather than "tone=based" approach.

LL Status = Neutral.

This is a weird overreaction. Discussing strategy is bad because it's a waste of time... it won't actually hurt us.

Of course, it's irresistible to point out that Luckay's strategy is generally bad because it will cause us to lose lots of power roles (he is probably not aware of this). But if there is a fail, then it's good to fail many more times.

I assume digger was villa in that game, ewalsh?

Yeah, that's fine and all, but I want to see some reasons before deciding for myself. I think you're a villager, but I mean, even if I knew you were a villager I wouldn't just blindly follow you.

The jury is not out on pvn.

He's an obvious villager.

Aries already made his points, but look at these two posts, this is exactly how I used to play my wolf game. Look at "Hope to gain more insight as we progress" and the entire second post. He's so concerned, but it's on level 0 things that we are all thinking about. "I can't decide if I want to get picked or not" is an extremely wolfy statement I think.

It's a soul read that I'm really piggybacking on Aries, but after reading it it just clicked. Serious forced concern here.

Then to just post those two and not make any reads I feel is wolfy as well. Like "I've done my duty"

It's not a lock but I feel good about it

Irrelevant today, but I dont think it is in our best interests to make our "peek" known to the wolves.

Sun, stop it with the obvious stuff man, I do think your immediate reads are good sometimes, but it's just irritating and makes me just pass over your reads when you just act like everything is "obvious"

Yes.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=226

This is on d1 of the June 8th game. About 10 hours in

Just for my own reference, I'm leaning wolf on Zeturd

Ay, but there's the rub. It actually is potentially damaging in that it gives information to the wolves about possible strategic plays and paths favored by smart, outspoken villagers. What's more, it opens up the possibility for smart, outspoken wolves to manipulate the strategic choices of the companions and villagers affected by them.

We have a group of strong players forming a masonry that have no need for our help, so until the point comes where we've had various power roles assigned, there's really no need for discussion in the first place.

That's what I'm asking myself right now. Would wolf-Luckay blatantly try to offer up bad advice to epi/GT1T et al? Those are the kinds of leveling games I'd rather not play though.

2.DMK - Bounce- up and down look at me approach to interrogations was evident as a villager in one of the two games I had played with him. Of note was the lack of accurately assessing other players alignment. This lead to many misslynches and ultimately an unsuccessful village. Whilst all blame cannot be ascribed to this style, given that he pushed two villas to suicides, I would suggest that he needs to develop a case vs someone through analysis first then interrogate throroughly. Unlike LuckayLuck - I think DMK is much more able to be read on tone.

DMK = Likely Villa.

wow. I don't see how you can be a villager after this post. I am sad.

Note: He could be a villager. In fact he may probably be a villager, but an obvious villager?

Sun Tzu

haha

I have no read on you but I'm enjoying your posts.

Sun likes to say obvious villager and like 99.8% of the time I approve of his use of the term which is why this is so glaring and horrible.

I think I may have misread JD's second post. The "we have a good group of companions" is a little ambiguous. It's not clear if he is saying that he thinks the roles are good or if the people filling them are good for those roles.

holy **** sun even changed his location dude is like 99% wolf

Well, now I'm headed into hypocrite territory again, but if we decided that fakewagoned players shouldn't be assigned power roles that solves the problem while introducing a new problem in narrowing the pool of players who can be power roles for the wolves (in a game this big it's not really a big worry though.)

Anyway, I propose we let this discussion rest until tomorrow. What we need now is wagons. I'm probably not going to vote Vaya, there's a few things in his posting history that makes me doubt and I want to hear his answers to my questions before lynching him anyway. ship_it_trebek/karak/J.D. is my current trifecta of evil

ship_it_trebek

nooooooooo!

This game is making me sad already.

I'm not sure about pvn, and I don't know about Sun at all, but I can see villa Sun saying he's an obvious villager. Fwiw.

I am out, almost certainly for the night.

JD is the best vote. Except for karak and maybe digger (if he actaully keeps going with serious posts) anyone with multiple votes as of VR's last count would be fine.

WN seems pretty erratic today with his votes. The sun vote seems awfully premature.

3. Aries Ram - I have played two Mish Mash games with Bitchi Canadian/ Cinque de Mayo. In CdeM - Aries Ram appeared to have solid tone based reads and a clear analytical style and was a villa.
In Bitichi's game - I came in a sub as wolf briefly for 36 Hours before subbing out again. AR who was within that wolf-pack. Did not have the entusiasm and clarity of thought in analysis as wolf - However I did note that his tone-based reads conformed with his perfect-knowledge. As such I would suggest that if his read on you is that of villa and you are a villa - this is no indication of alignement. But if you read his analysis of you and feel that it is unduly incorrect or misrepresented this is a stronger indication that Aries might be wolf.
Having read most of his stuff so far - I think it is more likely villa.
But crossreferencing of posts later in game - focussing on his analysis will be key.

Aries Ram = Likely Villa