On second thought. Ignore that wikipedia link.

Wikipedia may be making changes to that list.
Our countries have all been auctioned off - they will not change.
Use the table posted here in the thread.

A difference of opinion.

Others seem to think because you have a ton of money and last move on Monday you have a huge advantage!

Maybe I should have done the auction and then had people pick which entry they like best.

If someone gets a lead or people can’t really knock them back because you can’t catch them


I guess we will see how this works out, but seems there will be a handful of “optimal paths” and some players will have the money to do them and others won’t and we will know in 3-4 moves who wins, but maybe I’m wrong; I haven’t done the research yet.

Gad, going last means you won’t be knocked back into the ocean and having money means you can go where you want. Your tiny islands didn’t cost you much.

I’ll gladly switch spots with you just based on money and order before I’ve even seen where our countries are or done research on pathing. You, Filthy and Zeus should be the fave to win.

If we had a real auction I’d consider not spending a dime and just start with all the money. The countries don’t help you as much as money does.

I would have to sit out the first 36 turns to have your money, Gad.


Having 180M advantage over me is likely insurmountable.

I was forced to spend $100M on Philippines which is NEVER going to be used due to ocean rules.

And another $200M in Egypt and Pakistan which are unlikely to be used; maybe egypt will be by someone but I’m out the money until then and half the people in the game don’t have $100M to spend on it anyway.


This auction was just severely severely unbalanced; everyone shoulda had around same amount of money when it was done.

100M on an impossible to use country is just plain broken.

I know it will never happen, but I'd love to see a "board" for this game

a colour coded map to show who owns what and where everyone is.

Me too!

Good thing nobody has moved yet as I must make another change to the rules.

I know it's obvious but it doesn't say in the rules: if you are knocked back you get everything returned to you.

If you get knocked back across the Atlantic or Pacific you get your right to cross that ocean returned to you.
If you get knocked back to 0-0, you can move as if it was your 1st move again.

And do we just post everything in this thread?
I might also be blind checking through all the rules, but is this a DMs allowed or not game? Diplomacy/Risk normally has lots of sly dealing going on...

Nope, you send me a message with your move. I won't peek til I've recorded my move.

Sorry, new to this....... what's a "DM"?

DM = PM = private message

But I think hes asking if we're allowed to make deals with other people. Which is an interesting twist.

I’m so confused and this seems so clear to have amazing debates and arguments.
Therefore, I am in to button press

Yes. This is it.

Seriously, what are my options to make money?

5M/day isn't going to do any good when I need 100M for major countries and even smaller countries will need 20-40M meaning I have to just sit for 4-8 days in order to move.

I think we should address this before the game starts. I can't even move to any of the top 5 moves round 1 and I would have to sit out for like 5 days to afford the cheapest of them.


It just doesn't make sense to have some players spending 300M on countries that none of the 50 fastest paths around the world would ever go to while others have the money to spend freely. There isn't much advantage to owning a country; money is much more valuable.

Why is the game setup such that 1 person randomly has enough money to never care about it while others have such little money they have to sit the first 5 turns?

Also, the link you posted for initial move says it's map service is broken.

We need a new link or you to post a list of all countries that are eligible to be moved to on turn 1.

These are fair points, yeah

Good. That makes 10 entries.
You have the countries and $ of "holder #2".

Oh my, no.

That would give the people making a deal an advantage. Not at all fair to the other 8.

Quite true. Money in hand is more valuable than titles to countries.
That's because the player with money can pick and choose where to spend the money.
Some countries may never be in play.
I was hoping the random auction to turn out a lot more even.
For example, there were 17 countries where someone with > $500M tries to buy the country so we had to go to 2nd and 3rd picks. And filthyvermin was not the alternative purchaser on any of those!
The next time(?) we run this we need a better starting process.
The idea was to give people different countries and $ so not everyone would take the same route.
The idea wasn't bad but random.org didn't get with the program!

Also, you are forgetting another source of income. As these rich players start moving they are going to shed their $ out to the other players. Nobody has enough countries alone: they must pay to move.

Yes, I'm getting that too.

Anyone know of another site that uses longitude and latitude to show a map?
I'll start looking.

Also, I think the Philippines might turn out to be very valuable. Look at that map again.

Why not redo the auction since we haven’t started and add in balancing parameters? For instance, everybody must spend between x and y on countries so everyone ends in a close range?

People with countries not along a path around the world won’t ever get that money back; as the auction stands now, some of us are gonna have to spend 80% of the days resting to grind out 5M

And the ones with 300M save 60 days over us grinding and when they buy countries they get the money back a few turns later if their path is good and others go that direction.


I just don’t understand why we are allowing some people to have a 60 day head start in a race.

Alternatively, simply let everyone sell back any countries they want to the bank before the game starts. We can all pm you the ones we want to sell.

If we are undervaluing owning a country we sell, them oh well, we make a mistake. But it’s better to give us the option to buy our random countries than to force us to buy a country that nobody will ever go to.


And re: Philippines is valuable....best case I get my money back on day x...until then my money is tied up...there is no “value” in maybe getting my money back; it’s not like we get a return on our investment.

That seems like a good idea.
What if #10 (in money) could sell one country to #1 (in money) to a max of 100M.
#9 could sell to #2 (max 80M)
#8 could sell to #3 (max 60M)
#7 could sell to #4 (max 40M)
#6 and #7 could sell to the bank (max 20M)

Then start the game on Wednesday.

That would also give us time to find another map.
And make the starting $ a bit more equitable.

I have to lead a walk this afternoon so I'll check your response to this when I get back.