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:00 Good (votes ok, posts ok)
:01 Bad (votes not counted, posts ok)
:02 Modkill
This is a basic misunderstanding of why posts at :02 are modkilled. I mean, what's the big deal? If you're writing a long post, it's entirely possible for it to post late unintentionally, and if you're not voting, why does it matter?
It's to stop things like 1. A wolf realizing he's been lynched (so is no longer able to legally talk to the other players) and saying "btw team, I figured out that kbar13 is the seer, kill him tonight" 2. A seer realizing he's been lynched and saying "I didn't claim earlier for reasons, but I peeked a wolf last night, kill VR tomorrow when I turn up seer" 3. Making it look like you tried to switch your vote when you actually didn't want to. Consider the scenario where knights is the villager and chuckles is the wolf. Wolf Donatello intentionally posts knowing his vote won't count, and then wolf chuck is lynched the next day. Donatello then argues that he wouldn't have tried to switch the lynch away from knights onto chuckles if he were a wolf. Or consider that both players (chuck and nee) are wolves. Wolf Donatello can then say "Why on earth would I post a late vote like that as a wolf? All it does is make me look bad, but I tried to switch the lynch so I'm just a villager doubting myself."
I also want to say that Crossnerd did not complain, I did. I would like to point out that Crossnerd didn't even discuss it in the thread. I was going to let it go as an honest misunderstanding of the rules, but then he tried to use the dichotomy to argue that he wasn't wolfy, and then when he realized that wasn't working, he reversed course, and argued he was just a lying villager, and then that
was working, and at that point the mod becomes complicit, because a
wolf should be really be killed for angling and then using that to argue that he's a villager.
And it's not okay. I asked for a modkill and linked the posts where he argued BECAUSE it was an angle he wasn't a wolf, and then the reversal. The truth is though, once Donatello flips, somebody else is going to be the lynch that day, and he's going to flip villager, which means someone is going to look at his peeks to see why wolves might think he wasn't the seer, which means I look less like a villager, and the wolf team does get somewhat hurt by it. I also said they could make chuck the lynch for that day, but that was in the heat of the moment and punishes the wrong player. (And I was literally writing that PM when I should have been leaving for my job interview, so I didn't think the chuck lynch through very well...no I was not LATE for the interview, I just didn't get there as early as I wanted to.)
Effectively, what the mod did was make Donatello the village lynch for the day, just without costing all the rest of the players another day. And while it was more than I expected, it didn't seem like an unreasonable call. What I didn't think about until postgame is that 1) JM3 is right, the extra kill should have been announced in the thread before nightfall, and 2) all the players should have received the option to change/upgrade their powerups to really keep the game fair.
That would have been a LOT of extra work for Ace, though. in a game that's already a fair amount of work. I hope Ace doesn't get any fallout from this. I think he modded really carefully and completely. The fireball at the end was kind of a fluky thing, and I feel that the village can really count this as a win, if not for "stats" reasons. I actually felt kind of dirty even requesting a new power up last night, but felt I owed it to my team to exhaust every option before conceding.
On the emotional blackmail side, I also personally regret one post I made to monstrman when he was actually tilting in the thread, something like "I hope you aren't a wolf manipulating me or I'll be upset." I thought I should make that post, since as a villager I wouldn't really know, especially with a player I don't know, but then I immediately regretted it and have done so ever since.
Also "special pleading" damn autocorrect on my phone.