Caught up. I will give a couple follow ups before I start my MQ's on my strongest wolf read.

Kukra, I always rely on villagers to give me every opportunity to clear myself, so I know my posting will do just that. I never worry about it and it's always worked out in the past. I'm a villager.

Your post about voting someone who is gone says it all. I know I'm a villa, so of course luck gets all the villa points I can give.

Divided, sorry, but a careful reread does not give me the same impression as last night. You are not going into my villa pile just yet.

I disagree with the underlined point and I think a wolf is more likely to defend you at that point.

The blue point is kind of a wolfy response to it though because now you aren't taking any accountability for your votes and reads.

The red point I dont think is true either because if you are a villager, and especially as a newer player and a slightly wolfy player, you would be the ideal person for the wolves to defend for credit from other and so you'd be more likely to trust them.

Its weird to me that you are apologizing to Sun for voting him in a game where you should be voting for things that don't make sense. Its not wolfy to be wrong, no matter what the wolves want you to think.

jay, as you can see, I refuted my initial thoughts on Divided. I'm not sure why I felt that there was a defense there, but I was wrong.

My rereading of you lifted your villa status except for one post which I will include in a MQ that is coming up. Our thinking on UAW is similar except for that single post, although you may have changed your mind since then.

My thinking on luck is best described by Kukra above. I don't see any reason to save me there except a villager not wanting to lynch another villa. If I'm wrong, then so be it.

Also to address the issue of responsibility, of course I take full responsibility for my votes. I like to at least have a few players that I can rely on for a guiding light. Don't you?

Seriously? Changing titles? That shouldn't even be allowed since phone posters don't see titles so not even info

I like dividedsky the most because it gives us the most data about d1 wagons

I was gonna see if there were other potential seer choices but with that title change thing I don't think we can really weight other "peeks" by the fact that those posters weren't nked

Did anybody vote for siu or sun after his title change post?

be in after i catch up

Let's review UAW's posting (Remember that his first post was #402 in the thread)

This is a comment about Divided. Okay, so far a little light, but "the beef" is coming...

A read! Maybe a helpful explanation would be in order here. (Come on, don't you think the village could use the help? Or is it not the village you're worried about?)

A vote! Now I don't mind people coming after me if it helps the village gain info. This post is so out of the blue and devoid of explanation that it doesn't even invite me to respond. How can I defend this and how does a lack of possible defense from me help us?

His list. Now I actually like this commitment, even if (again!) there is no actually content here. What is the village to make of this? And why should we use this information in trying to win the game?

Still pushing me, which would be fine if he quoted some reason for it. Without the reason, it make it impossible to show he is lying or is just incorrect in his thinking. (The probable intent in the first place.)

This quote is for further review in context. He likes the way UAW is posting, but UAW has not actually said anything of merit yet. In fact many of UAW's posts have looked suspiciously like nothing more than raising his count. (Exceedingly brief and "fluffy".)

Which brings us to your post. I have included a couple more of UAW's posts (to fill in that hour...), but your lauding him here seems well, premature, at best.

Do you like this one?

Or is it this one?

Or perheaps this is the post that you like?

Forgive my tone everyone, I do get riled up in my MQ's, lol.

Oh, how could I forget...

UAW710

tyler is being crazy about pickles....

Sun and I were talking about pickles in another game, he sent me his mailing address to ship him a jar of bick pickles, I went to ship them yesterday and shipping was 48$ for a 4$ jar of pickles so I told him he had to wait a bit for the pickles.

It's bull**** because I can fly to florida from detroit for 99$ but canadian post office wants to charge me 48$ to shop a ****ing jar of picles?

Oh and I said it in thread because i got in **** in another game for pming someone about a different game in a game we were currently in so I didn't want to pm sun so I said it in thread.

I don't see anything yet as a clear or even semi clear peek yet.

sun....I ended on dice near the end because It looked very close to a tie EOD, I would rather change my mind on a wagon I wasn't getting anyways and make a bad decision and make the choice than let the outcome be randed.

divided seemed more villagry than diceman at the time and was in thread too.

I switched off of Uaw for a couple reasons tyler, Firstly thou the vote on Uaw was there for pressure, when he did finally show up he acted more like the Uaw that comes in and helps dominate the wolves so I felt it was time to move along.

Finally, an explanation that I can wrap my head around.

Tyler, if you had experience with UAW you would know he comes in posting random reads like that as a villa and that list you quoted is also something I've seen him do as a villa. That's more of what I was talking about. After looking over it again I realized I didn't like it as much considering my thoughts on divided and so that's why I made that mq of him earlier.

TBH at EOD I was too busy arguing with SIU about dumb things then to realize what was really going on ITT.

Votes from post 603 to post 665
Night in 07:29:40
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
4	DividedSky	Nicholasp27 (2), ihcjay (11), kokiri (8), Sun Tzu (10)
1	UAW710	tylertwo (8)
1	tylertwo	Kukraprout (13)
1	ihcjay	luckduck53 (4)
4	not voting	UAW710 (0), tmleafs1967 (5), DividedSky (0), bhuber2010 (0)

We both know that part isn't true, but that is neither here nor there in concerns for this game. (and fwiw I told the mods I didn't think it was a big deal but I also felt they should know, just so you know not to do it in the future to someone else and have the mods care, plus I was a wolf and you weren't on my team )

Something innocuous as pickles though would probably be ok in a pm if no game matter is being discussed, imo.

Sun, I don't have exp with peeks in title's kinda sucks cuz i phone post so much, are you positive because it doesn't look like a peek of you to me.

Thank you for this input. I don't have any experience with him and I would be the first to admit that I don't read certain styles of play very well. (ivers is a case in point, I would lynch him every time and he's always been a villa, lol.)

I didn't dislike your convo with SIU, because on reread (and knowing he was villa) it seemed to clear you a bit for me.

These two posts seem quite pointless to me. I'm not even sure what you are getting at with the second post tbh.

Popping in for a second.

Jay if you think my vote was based off the UAW thing then you're sorely mistaken about thay and my grasp of this game.

Call it a tone thing that got progressively worse throughout the day. I also thought Ship was on to stuff with you.

I find it completely reasonable to say that you as a wolf could be concerned about someone with a pretty cleae identity coming hard at you.

Him being killed could be just as much because of being clear and where he was at in game solving ideas as it was a seer hunt thing.

I realize this thought process points at me too because ship clearly wasn't a fan of me either but I know I'm villa. You I think it's less likely.

lol
i'm going to give minor villa points for the rant about changing title, which would be quite ballsy to make as a wolf

i definitely think that we should look at who peeked who and list who was a possible NK, regardless of the title thing

the pm to you was about ptp game bro (which was over) at the time U were on holiday for weekends and I didn't know if u would go back to ptp or not, no biggie thou, I shouldn't have pm'd you during any game anyways.

After it was pointed out and seeing on a computer it looks like a peek to me.

This is what the title looked like

Re: 7/23 Vanilla 13'er - TO ATF! Game Thread

and it was changed to this

Re: 7/23 Vanilla 13'er - TO ATP! Game Thread

with that post of Sun being in his villa range.

I'm assuming the P means peek.

If Ship changed a title from ATF to ATP and the post was about sun being villa then I think it's a pretty clear peek.

We need to assume it was anyways and work from there.