I guess I'll read the last few pages at least

this just hasn't been a good weekend for me to play werewolf

hahaha ok

i would appreciate an actual reread from you when you have the spare time

i've posted a lot since yesterday

nice job starting that derm wagon tho

VMFs case still makes sense.
the way you and VR interacted on day1 but avoided talking about eachother is iffy.
im not sure if you/tbob can be w/w but youre definitively not one of my villagers aorn.

Probably the best thing about this game is we're all going to be too exhausted to rage postgame.

OMG thank you for asking me something else.

Right, so, here is the thing:

1) Slighted was puzzled by tbob on D1. Like, really puzzled. You can check his posts were he literally goes "he reads like a villager but I think he is a wolf".

2) We know slighted's peek was vix D1. It was so blatant I thought he was wolfing. So it wasn't tbob.

3) Comes D2. Who do you think Slighted is gonna peek now? Tbob, or someone else? Re-reading D1 he is very likely going to peek Tbob. It just makes sense.

4) He votes tbob off-wagon against the VR wagon as well. Says he'll come back to the thread. That's all he does on D2, right?

5) He gets NKed.

So, yeah, it can be that this wasn't a peek. But just consider everything I just said AND the fact that he was NKed. He always gets NKed when he peeks tbob = wolf and posts like that, right? How often do you think he gets killed over n0 = vix villa and then voting tbob offwagon and never returning to the thread? Not as likely, right? I'm just giving weight to that to consider Slighted as very likely peeking tbob = wolf.

What's VMF's case? Is it any more than what you say below?

The VR thing is so silly. I didn't have a particular read on her, and she's not the type of person I read well. I'm not sure what people wanted from me. Saying we "avoided talking about each other" is assuming your own conclusion, by the way, because that could only be the case if we're w/w

Which we

Okay. A small question: since Slighted said "he reads like a villager but I think he is a wolf" on d1, how do you think he would go about communicating on d2 that he had actually peeked TBob wolf in the intervening night?

Would he:

1) Say literally exactly the same thing and actually refer back to what he said on d1 and how he was just reiterating that

or

2) Do absolutely anything other than say "the thing I said on d1 still goes"?

What're your thoughts?

on a sacle from mildly perturbed to brain-detonatingly-flabbergasted I would be at least at least eating a hat if tbob is actually a wolf given his posting this game day

(3) is where you are wrong and if you really think this would be good play on slighted's behalf, I think you should read soah's post on advanced strategy.

Seers do not try to confirm their wolf reads. If people are wolfy, they're going to get lynched; if they're uber villagey, they're never getting lynched. So you peek in the middle: people who are likely to be live peeks when you claim.

vixticator is a decent choice for n0. He's got a weird meta that makes him hard to read, but he often goes deep. He went deep in the last game he played, yet people still thought he might be a wolf. That's a decent peek.

Heropeeking a wolf lean is suboptimal. So you're basically having to add into your thinking 3a/ slighted is a bad seer.

Also, the thing for me is that he didn't change his language. He more or less repeated himself. This doesn't imply new information to me.

Just to pass the time, why not read Tbob with a fresh eye? Assume you didn't see that Slighted post. Now ask yourself what his role is. If you still think wolf or even meh on balance, sure, this is enough to tip it over and lynch him. If you think nah, he's a villager, then I think it's fine to go with that, and allow more information in the next day or two to firm up your reads on everyone, not just him.

This is where I'm sticking, exactly here.

on a purely 30k foot view perspective the wolves in this game are in like derm/anarchist/kruze/hardcore a large amount I'm pretty sure

VMF/gad are trying to o hard

tbob is just too villagery

I guess monkey is the wild card.

Is that your only concern? Well for once he voted tbob. He thought it was urgent enough for him to jump in the thread and post JUST THAT. I think his post screams urgency and lack of time to post something else, so he casts the vote and leaves the thread, hoping it doesn't end before he can get to post his reads list. If he peeked, IDK, gad = villa, he goes "I just re-read D1 and I think gad reads very villagery here, I'll vote tbob or whatever and I'll be back later" etc or something like that. Not leaving the peek at all in the first post wouldn't be very wise. AND HE WAS NKED. So.

@Seers do not try to confirm wolf leans: He was the only one if I remember correctly thinking tbob was wolfy D1.

So he is not peeking obvious possible wolves, but this one guy he found wolfy and no one else agreed on.

Tell that to VMF

normally when I say that they flip wolf though

lolz

i'm not changing my mind though

here are slighteds posts wrt tbob again.

it just makes sense for him to peek tbob n1.
he couldve died for other reasons but it would be quite random.

yo yo derm

what are your thoughts on players not named tbob

So you're basically saying he heropeeked.

Also, he did post that day, five times, then he said he was going for lunch and walk his dog, so no big urgency. He did come back with his "peek" so maybe you're right, maybe not, but certainly he didn't post it first up and seemed quite relaxed.

Yes, please don't forget that you have me on your mislynch list too.

lol at "correctly"

talk about assuming your conclusion

This isn't really a valid basis for a villa lean on me

Dude, not only do you quote the posts that say the exact same thing, the dude even says he's saying the exact same thing.

This is a seer making sure we get that it's a peek? He's even telling us he's not conveying new information.

first you complain that I usually read you vilage and weren't. then you complain when I read you village for a bad reason

now I'm going to call you a villager for being stubborn about whether or not my reason for calling you a villager is valid

how you like them apples

I feel like I've died and gone to hell, where instead of having pitchforks up my arse, I'm condemned to 100-hour days of werewolf where I say the same thing over and over and no one reads anyone else's posts, just posts the same **** over and over.

derm is never going to think tbob wasn't peeked because tbob is the alternative wagon and the only thing he has against him is getting peeked.