I think your recap of Chris during last hour of day 2 is a little disingenuous Don. In general I found it really rewarding to read the thread from around post #1050 with xander and chris becoming active and discussing the day 2 lynch.

I thought xander was getting all this town cred based on hardcoreUFO barking at him, I didn't internalize him going after the UFO wagon when he did and when he had other viable options.

Stepping back the view of Chris' progression beyond the 10 minute window you capped shows he was against the myro lynch for more than just how it would make him look if it flipped. but he was also shielding UFO.

Shortly after I voted for myro and we lynched our seer.

they seem slightly less likely to be w/w I guess

but wifom and all that

Let's go for No Lynches

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	ChrisV	Donat3llo (55), killer_kill (2)
1	Sun Tzu	No Lynches (22)
1	No Lynches	xander biscuits (20)
3	not voting	ChrisV (13), NotGonnaLie (24), Sun Tzu (0)

I was intending to be disingenuous, I was merely trying to recap the very EoD when the voting happened. Prior to that he voted everywhere but the wolf, and ended up on the seer.

Also, the post in there where he is trying to assuage heat by saying wolves don't clear and cover each other doesn't align with the other posts where he says "wolves would never bus here..." Obviously situations are nuanced but it feels like he is saying what he needs to in the moment to deflect.

Ugh I was hoping for more content overnight

Stealing some more sleep biab

*Wasnt trying to be

Also, maybe I'm having a forest from the trees moment with regards to chris.

Yea I wasn't trying to imply intent, and I get that since he threw shade at you in the process it might have colored your opinion. I just wanted to show what I had seen, which doesn't make Chris look good, but if 'lynching our seer' is his cardinal sin I think it at least makes his participation in that lynch neutral.

His last minute vote and what he said afterwards are still weird af.

Sun Tzu, I request the guidance of your mysterious and ancient wisdom:

Are we embarking upon fruitful lines of inquiry? Should our sights be set on other shores?

Donny it was obvious from earlier in the day that Myro and UFO were the wagons, why was I defending Myro so stridently and trying to run CFDs? As a wolf I'd be setting up a switch to Myro.

The reason I ended up voting Myro over UFO was that I didn't think either of them were wolves, but a couple of people I was pretty certain were villagers (definitely JM, I think there was another) were adamant that he was a wolf, so I went with their read given that I didn't know who to pick from my own reads.

Just gonna dig this post out again from EOD:

I was not happy with either option, like I said. Your argument now is going to be "hurrr but you could fake that post as a wolf", yet when it comes to faking REALLY REALLY OBVIOUS THINGS like not manoeuvering myself into a position where I have to put the hammer down on the counterwagon to my bro despite defending that player all day, you don't give me a lot of credit.

ChrisV, can you explain the part after the bolded "REALLY REALLY OBVIOUS..." line? It's entirely possible that these things aren't as obvious to me.

Also tbf, you're asking for me to give you credit when you just said you, a veteran and very good ww player, sheeped jm3s read, who fully admits he isnt that good at hunting wolves.

That seems odd to me.

I'd point out that although I only have two people voting me, I have only one player sort of half heartedly defending me. I sure seem like the lazy lynch. Frankly I thought I'd have more people defending me by now based on my post quality, but when 1/3 of the game are wolves it's a tough crowd I guess.

Chris what actively wolfy things do you think Sun has done?

Also you twice used this 'wolf-shaped slot' metaphor and I think its a really unfair way to describe someone. It gives them nothing to defend against. Needs additional citation.

@donny

why not join me on a No Lynches lynch?

you said it was the venn diagram overlap

There are still others that need to weigh in, so it's far from certain.

As a wolf I would not spend all day defending Myro and then put the hammer on him over my bro at EOD with no progression. I simply would not do that, ever.

And your reaction is going to be well maybe that's just what he wants us to think, but the fact is, there's no advantage to doing it. As you can see today, what it gets you is heat. I frankly don't expect to be able to convince you that I wouldn't do that as a wolf, because that's the way this works, you can never stop people tinfoiling that maybe you're setting them up, and that's WHY I DONT DO THAT AS A WOLF.

I suck at hunting wolves as well, for the record. I'm somewhat better at hunting villagers.

I dont think you're a wolf at all. You and xander are my strongest villas rn. We need to just have some trust in someone. Like we cant all be wolves and we need to figure out who we want to do. I get that wolves are trying to run this lynch so we gotta not miss here.

I mean i cant argue that nl is or isnt in his wolf range per se but it seems haphazard to phrase things as wolf range. Were not playing 200bb deep poker were one off of ml and things like voting records, prior leans and fake peeks are more helpful.

No one in tbe history of seers has ever forgotten who peeked them esp when theyre vanillager and the peek is legit. You ALWAYS know th le person peeking you in a 13er.

Im not against it but i think chris is better. Im willing to follow you potentially tho since youre pretty clear.

It is the overlap and I very well may end up there, as id much rather lynch in my likely two wolf candidates than outside of it.

But for now id like to lynch Chris and get other people's opinions.

Nothing actively wolfy. I don't think his tone has been that great, he's come in and dropped random reads posts that are easy to fake in my view.

This is Sun's game though, he never tries to be particularly villagery, and as a result he's near unreadable. You just have to POE him, which is what I'm doing now as I'm pretty confident you, killer, xander are villagers. If I'm wrong about someone in there it's killer.

You used exactly those two words. I don't think he's been particularly active or wolfy and certainly not a combination of the two.

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	ChrisV	Donat3llo (61), killer_kill (3)
1	Sun Tzu	No Lynches (23)
1	No Lynches	xander biscuits (21)
3	not voting	ChrisV (17), NotGonnaLie (28), Sun Tzu (0)

I mean what does lynch more bold mean when 7 people voted for the wagon? I also dont see why a wolf wouldn't wanna start a cfd onto a villa from other villas. Its like if it doesnt work then you get to push the person lynching the villa ajd can still push your other ml.

Im torn on donnie but i think i just gotta clear him and clinch my butthole.

Heh. Fair. I forgot I posted that.

It's hard to articulate.... all of Sun's posts fit into a "possibly wolfy" category. I guess I'd say that I think Sun's posts are the sort of thing I'd come up with if I were a wolf in the game, but that that isn't particularly alignment indicative for him. Whereas NL's posts are fine as far as they go, but he's seemed sort of detached, not very helpful, doesn't seem to have any strong opinions either or really want to lynch anyone in particular. That's what I mean about a wolf shaped hole.