Donny another piece of your "logic" that made me want to kill you: you've made much of the fact that I voted Myro after his seer post (which I didn't even recognise as such at the time). But in this version of the tale where I'm a wolf, the other wagon is my bro and I'm surely intending to vote Myro in any case. So me realizing he's the seer wouldn't make any difference. Also lynching seers as opposed to villagers isn't really an improvement for the wolves; if they know who the seer is they can just NK them anyway and they still don't get any peeks.

Also, I posted this after dropping my Myro vote:

I'm supposed to be posting this after just realizing Myro was the seer and putting the hammer on him? I wish I was that expert a troll as a wolf, but sadly I'm not.

So basically this whole thing with Myro being the seer is wolf logic start to finish.

Is wolf chrisV not capable of this morning's work?

I'm wary of voting outside my biggest wolf lean, esp this late in the game.

NL still has some wolf eq, but I think some of his interactions nearing EoD yesterday and this morning have been what I would consider villagery.

But like you, he is also capable of that as a wolf.

Sun hasn't pinged me as a wolf much at all, not sure why. Just a lot of what he is posting seems organic. I can't remember the last time I've played with a wolf Sun though. I do remember ml'ing him as a villa when he came in EoD and swung a CFD onto villa xander which I thought was wolfy af. But he was also villa then.

Come to think of it though as I type this, he was more active and opinionated that game than he is this game. Not sure if that is a change of WIM or alignment though. I remember xander saying something yesterday about the Sun of old, so maybe it is a WIM thing.

This was a good post and contributed to me thinking xander is villager.

It's accurate. I think I'd have brought more WIM this game as a wolf because I wouldn't want to let my bros down. As a villager I've had only the vaguest notions who the wolves are and I've been under suspicion from the start, so I wasn't expecting anyone to listen to what I thought anyway.

I'm regaining some WIM now though.

Don't think so, no.

I'm headed to bed. Back around 5pm. Very likely to want to lynch NL or Sun Tzu today, could possibly still be talked into lynching Donny.

Leaving work shortly and will address some stuff that's been brought up in more detail (I'm not ignoring it before anyone (read as donnie) claims that I am)

A bunch of people think that I'm pretty darn clear. I've been posting like a villager, have been thinking like a villager and have flow like a villager. I've also got the interactions with UFO on D2 that are pretty darn clearing for me.

I thought there was a big chance that I was going to be the NK last night. I was a little surprised that I wasn't. This makes me believe even more strongly that the people who think I'm still in the POE are wolves. If Chris and Killer were wolves then they'd have NKd me over JM3 I'm sure.

Ask yourselves this: If you were a wolf then who would you have killed last night?

Donat3llo

I guess it doesn't really matter if you know myro is going anyway, so you slamming the hammer as the final vote I guess doesn't matter as much as I was thinking.

I just remember reading that EoD and it really struck me as odd. Probably bc of the approximity to UFO's vote.

wat?

Why would two wolves, who you think are clear, NK you? Wouldn't they want you around to help keep them from getting lynched?

I dunno, I thought about this before nk'ing you last game. That you had defended manasi and said neither ChrisV nor I should ever be lynched. So maybe i should keep you around bc even if you were the seer you prob don't peek me or manasi. But then felt that was too FPS .

Well however this game turns out, it's at least been informative for me. I'm not a wolf, I'm just an lolVilla that doesn't truly understand how to hunt for wolves.

This makes a lot of sense to me and explains wolf reads on me when I'm a villa. I'm not focusing on the right things that actually make people wolfy.

GTK

Donatello at the end of day 2 did you see I moved my vote to Myro before you voted on Hardcore UFO?

Sun Tzu You went over my interactions with HardcoreUFO fairly in depth yesterday regarding Day 1 at least. Do you have any thoughts on my interactions with him day 2 as well as my end of day votes?

Was this before or after I unvoted UFO and then re-voted UFO?

Is xander the only person with a solid town lean on Chris? They've already talked a bit about each other, but I agree that hearing more about how the two read each other would help me.

Agree with Donatello that it is a strange mindset for Xander to think "If Chris and Killer were wolves then they'd have NKd me over JM3 I'm sure."

Xander can you explain that for me?

Posts like this show you were really investigating the vote dynamics on day 2, but I never figured out exactly where you landed.

What takeaways did you have?

It was this vote:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1136

I think your final vote of the day

@No Lynches How many wolves do you think were most likely on Zorkman Day 1. Has your view changed over time?

Probably need to ask this again later, but wanted to get it down

Ahh, no I don't think I specifically had noticed that you had voted myro at that point.

Why, what's up?

Do you think those posts really show a thought process of voting mechanics and dynamics?

Or do you think those posts show someone asking questions about something that is easily verifiable by reading?

To me they read like he is trying to confirm that specific actions took place.

For instance, lettuce break it down:

"Also there were 7 people on Myro so it's not like we have much info to discern who the potential wolfs were on him. I mean didn't NL try taking a wagon off of myro though when he was lead wagon? Onto xander right?"

- "Also there were 7 people on Myro so it's not like we have much info to discern who the potential wolfs were on him."
-- This is a statement and doesn't offer anything in the way of solving the game.

- "I mean didn't NL try taking a wagon off of myro though when he was lead wagon? Onto xander right?"
-- This is a question about how something took place that is easily verifiable. Where is there an attempt to solve anything?

Next:

- "Sorry that UFO onto xander not NL. DIdn't NL try and start a cfd tho off myro or am I mistaken? Please send halp"
-- This is another question about something that took place that is easily verifiable. Where is the solving? Where is the thought process?

These are just questions that look like an attempt to solve something.

I mean, he's just asking about things that happened in an "almost" solvey way.

Votes from post 1435 to post 1521
Night in 7:59:56
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
1	Sun Tzu	No Lynches (22)
1	ChrisV	Donat3llo (33)
1	Donat3llo	xander biscuits (10)
4	not voting	ChrisV (13), killer_kill (0), NotGonnaLie (6), Sun Tzu (0)

@ No Lynches sorry I wasn't here when you voted me. And really this goes to everybody

I'm a villager, but I get that my resume is ****. If I am in your top 2 or 3 wolf reads and you are pretty lost in general I suggest you lynch me today. There's not an awful lot I can do to do to clear myself, and the most alignment indicative things that wolves will try and push (associations with UFO) stand out like a sore thumb and will tomorrow as well.

The villager case for me is that I've been very transparent and invested in the thread. A wolf can fake that, but my last game (in which I was wolf) read very differently. I can't really say what my range looks like in forum mafia since I have so few games, so its up to you how indicative you think the tone shift is.

The meta I am used to causes me to say some things that ping a lot of players (having 6 lynchables day 1, townspeak, 'defensiveness', the best way to project town). In these cases I'd ask that you think about what wolf agenda I serve rather than just disliking them because they are different.

Did you make some fervent villa post last game as a wolf? I don't recall one, so this looks better for you.

Can you address my killer breakdown above, I'm curious of your thoughts?

Those in particular show he half sorta remembered something, but the way I read it he was flat our wrong. Some of his other posts made it seem like he did real analysis.

I'm not well versed in reading these things, so while someone is in the middle of figuring things out I can't tell if he's faking it as a wolf or if there is something worth paying attention to there.

Now that killer has had some time to process it, I wanted to see his takeaways.