lol hi scum

Lurking much?

I feel so empty without gifs

I just felt like tone was off, you're not asking me if we're going to solve the game together etc.

TN, I have no idea how you can honestly say that clearing villagers doesn't help find wolves. The other thing is that I'm voting the same person as you are! How do you figure I'm not trying to find wolves?

SO YOU'VE RANDED A POWER ROLE

this is for those of us who have a little less experience playing non-vanilla werewolf (*cough*ihcjay*cough*)

If you've randed vig

You have a helpful but high-variance role!

• Be at peace with the fact that most of your targets will be villagers.
• The wolves don't have an angel, so resolving the second wagon the night after we lynch a villager is never a terrible idea (absent a hard claim) if EOD was very active, if the wagons seemed shift-y, and if the person who ended up second wagon never gathered enough momentum at any point in the day to seem like a foregone lynch candidate.
• Try to minimize your hero shots.
• Read, reread, and read again before selecting your target. Use the information from the lynch to inform who you're shooting -- if they ended up being the critical vote on a wolf wagon, for example, they're probably not the best person to vig. People whose posts seem to slide right over your eyes are always good candidates, as well as people who you don't expect the wolves to ever kill over the next night or two (i.e., don't do the wolves' job for them; refrain from taking shots at villa captain and/or high-volume players unless you have a specific and confident reason for thinking they're the best wolf candidate).

If you've randed jailkeeper

You get to engage in a leveling war with the wolves about their nightkill targets!

• Embrace the fact that statistically speaking, you're not likely to block the seer or a villa vig.
• If a night passes with fewer than the expected number of kills (i.e., fewer than three as long as all vigs are alive), consider leaving cover regarding your target, but ONLY IF you think the information that would be gained from that outweighs the risk that you will out yourself to the wolves. In such an event, hope that other people leave jailkeeper cover also -- if I am alive, I will remind them to do so.
• Read, reread, and read again before selecting your target. In general, you should feel comfortable identifying the top three people who have shown the greatest combination of villa captain-ness and outright villageriness, and then rand your protection from among those three.
• In the event that someone hardclaims seer, use your judgment as to whether or not you will include them in your rand -- but remember that if you DO jailkeep the seer, they will be prevented from dying but their peek will not go through, effectively rendering them vanilla for that night.

If you've randed seer

You're a boss!

• Choose targets that you do not believe will be resolved that night through wolf kills or villa vigs. Ideally, also choose targets who you believe are likely to survive until mid- or even endgame. Basically, you want to have peeks who are alive when you die or claim.
• Read, reread, and read again before selecting your target. Likely mislynch targets (the proverbial low hanging fruit) can be good peeks by n3 or so, but probably not before: recognize that if you peek a mislynch target villa, you risk not being able to save them without hardclaiming (and if you peek a mislynch target wolf, then they're probably getting resolved even without your claim).
• Instead, target people who you think are good and sneaky wolves as well as people who always seem to make it deep in games. I may draw up a list later on giving my own thoughts on who fits these bills.
• In general do not peek people who are thread-consensus villagers or thread-consensus wolves. Using your peek to "confirm" what most people already think is an equity hit.
• Decide whether your focus should be on clearing villagers or finding wolves, depending on game state and how your own leans look. Finding wolves is harder but obviously carries with it a much higher reward. If you have several marginal villa leans, consider peeking one to clear a villager; if you have a number of marginal wolf leans, go there instead.
• When leaving your peeks, be neither too cryptic nor too obvious. Where practicable, do not leave your peeks early in the day; instead, wait until your peek has been posting for a while so the wolves could credibly conclude that you are simply leaving seer cover based on a read. Don't get overly clever about how you leave your peek, though; there are few things that feel worse in this game than dying as seer and having the village be unable to determine who you peeked.

If you've randed vanillager

The heart and soul of the team!

• As I stated earlier, I believe that it is extremely important in this format for as many people as possible to leave credible-looking fake peeks. Your goal is to make the wolves think you're the seer, so play it accordingly. You know how when you're a wolf you post the way you think a villager would? When you're a vanillager you should be posting the way you think you would as seer.
• This doesn't mean you can't spit many hot reads and crush the wolves with your gamesolving ability, obviously, but be conscious when you post about who you are repping as a peek and how that would affect your interactions with them and others. Some wolf teams are lazier than others, but many people actually do look for this kind of thing when seerhunting: if you drop an expertly crafted fakepeek of Top Tier Tom villa, but then you go after Tom later in the thread in a way that makes it obvious you don't know his affiliation, the wolves very well might notice.
• All of the advice to the seer above regarding leaving his real peeks also applies to fakepeeks -- a fakepeek left extremely early in the day is often viewed as less credible by wolf teams, so unless you think you can level them into thinking you're doing it that way because you're actually the seer, it's probably best to wait for the person you're fakepeeking to post a bit.
• Similarly, please default to fakepeeking people villager. Most people are villagers. Fakepeeking someone wolf may be high-reward if you get it right and you're able to stick with it, but you are very likely to be wrong. Being wrong about your fakepeek eliminates you from seer contention on that spreadsheet the wolves maintain. You do not want to be eliminated from seer contention.
• Your greatest glory in this game, other than wagoning tons of wolves and leading a crushing villa victory, should be to eat a wolf nightkill with the seer still alive.

So...yeah. A bit longer than I anticipated, but hopefully helpful to someone out there.

no u?

i'm a villager pony

okay then. you thinking his post about seers is clearing is because of your lack of play with him. he can do this in either role. form your own opinion of course but keep that in mind.

show me how what you've done is so out of the ordinary. there is more than one way to play as a wolf.

you butting heads with someone who was getting pushed already is NOT necessarily a villagery thing. and that's kinda what you did with me. and your "reasons" for finding me wolfy were bc i said killer was clearing LR too lightly. which is what he did.

finding something like not liking my case against someone, calling me a wolf for it & then using that bias against the rest of my posts is wolfy behavior.

gad talking only mechanics

you obv did not read this post so i'll put it here again

like, YES clearing villagers IS the best way to find wolves

but you saying "oop that guy is villagery" "yep, he is too" is not clearing villagers. it's not. it's giving your reads & that's fine & all. BUT if you clear EVERYONE so lightly, you won't find ANY wolves.

do you see?

kruze my vote is serious atm

you better shape up or ship out

and dont vote tn without good reason

no she is not my peek

but i feel like you are goading her, and i dont like it

no, but if you keep trying i probably will

your posts so far have been overtly gamesolvey but have felt squishy and "easy" in a way reminiscent of a wolf posting like a villager, rather than a villager just posting

we'll see; long way to go

gad im looking forward to talking to you about mechanics in DVC in a few days

hey! that's my line!

IMPORTANT

One thing I would add to the above advice for vanillagers leaving fakepeeks would be to try and select fakepeek targets that make "sense" based on where you were with your leans the previous day. Basically, fakepeek people that wolves will think you would ACTUALLY peek. This often means fakepeeking people who you genuinely weren't sure about the day before, which increases the risk that you're wrong, but it's much more believable for you to peek the guy on n2 who you said you were having trouble reading on d2, as opposed to peeking someone whose affiliation you already seemed sure about. (Plus, most people are villagers, so you'll probably be right anyway.) When in doubt, going with someone who you didn't really mention on previous days is solid as well, as long as you're telling a consistent story.

my vote on TN was a friendly way of saying hello

she ignored it

and then insta gif doubts me that i am a villager?

yeah she is a woof

not changing my vote

I CAUGHT ONE GUYS IN MY VERY FIRST POST!

mets prolly TN's woof br0

but i doubt it, mets prolly just trying to flirt with TN like always

whenever i end up in DVC, i stop following the thread b/c it's no fun when i know all the roles

so if i think the game is exciting, i probably won't be in DVC when i'm killed, preferring instead to rail with no knowledge

fwiw

The issues with Wilverine, as I see them:

His descriptions of Cmac's reads post and Gad's seer post are way overblown.

His meta with Cmac can explain the villager lean and I don't mind him thinking that Cmac is an easy mislynch. But Cmac's posts aren't objectively very villagery at all. When Wilv is talking about other people's reads on Cmac, he doesn't seem to make any attempt to consider how a person with no meta would see them.

The first point is stronger than the second and neither is super strong, but they're something.

The easy path would've been hopping on cmac and calling him wolfy. He's inexperienced and is called wolfy at the start of about every game we've been in together and he's been a villager in every single one. He's playing just about identically now and so I defended him. What's wolfy about this?

i think i ignored you the last time you entered & voted me. i was probably a villager. i'm probably one again here.

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dammit

now it doesn't look as evil as i wanted it to

ok im willing to tdome kruze today

Votes from post 4 to post 318
Night in 07:36:01
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
1	Wilverine	tappokone (25)
1	MFFNike	ihcjay (16)
1	Jimmy Rustle	metsandfinsfan (48)
1	tappokone	iamnotawerewolf (16)
1	TheNothing	Jimmy Rustle (4)
1	ihcjay	TheNothing (60)
12	not voting	Wilverine (18), thediceman (0), TheBrokenATM! (6), MFFNike (2), mucksandgravs (7), SirRawrsALot (0), lilrascal (12), LeonardoDicaprio (0), Gadarene (0), DividedSky (0), corycurren (15), cmac55555 (10)
1	Error	killer_kill (30)

tappo also has talked nice to me, i bet he's on my team too!

kruze caught three wolves!

game over!

Votes from post 4 to post 318
Night in 07:34:31
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
2	ihcjay	killer_kill (30), TheNothing (60)
1	Wilverine	tappokone (25)
1	MFFNike	ihcjay (16)
1	Jimmy Rustle	metsandfinsfan (48)
1	tappokone	iamnotawerewolf (16)
1	TheNothing	Jimmy Rustle (4)
12	not voting	Wilverine (18), thediceman (0), TheBrokenATM! (6), MFFNike (2), mucksandgravs (7), SirRawrsALot (0), lilrascal (12), LeonardoDicaprio (0), Gadarene (0), DividedSky (0), corycurren (15), cmac55555 (10)

ALSO TWO MORE THINGS TO ADD TO THE ABOVE SHORT MESSAGES

1) Villa vigs and the jailkeeper should strongly consider leaving credible seer cover as well, so they're not POEd that way. Ideally, you should leave seer cover that isn't so convincing that the wolves end up killing you, but even if that happens, you've still saved the seer for another night, so way to go.

2) Villa vigs should strongly consider NOT SHOOTING people who they had as their adamant top wolf leans the day before. If you were the only one shouting about Duckburg being a probable wolf and then Duckburg ends up dead, this makes it too easy for the wolves to figure out who shot him. This sucks; it's happened to me. I understand that this is in tension with the idea that you should generally be shooting your top wolf leans, but just be careful. If nobody else but you thinks someone is a wolf, your default should be to shoot someone else.

how long until TN runs out of seinfeld gifs? I say before EOD.

she gonna use um all up and have nothing else to work with

poor woofy woof