be advised that if I see "blah blah haven't read anything DW's still a wolf peace out" today I'm probably going to lose my **** and not care what you say

In fact Gamer dude, you missed out my read on Dwetzel and Luckbox. I said one of them feels like scum to me and the other will flip town. I am leaning towards Luckbox as he has been scummy throughout the thread.

guys lmk when Tattersnail has a genuine read he came up with on his own.

To the bolded, well played sir.

1) I've never seen it before, it appears to be a flavour thing.

2) I stole that gif from a different 2+2 poster, he uses it to announce his entrance to a thread, also I like bears.

3) Oh there's a 3). What are your reads atm, who do you want to euthanise today?

Off the top of your head right now, what do you think of

Shills
Rokk
Lawrence

?

You've been chiming in from time to time commenting on single posts or brief exchanges.

Good that's great, but I'd like your personally opinion on people as a whole. Or at the very least your opinions on who is scum or who is town and why.

A little more than "well so and so talked for about a page" X is probs scum and Y is probs town.

Give us more please.

Slight defense of Guild, but at the same time he does bring him up. Pigeon holes Guild with Cory

I realize this wasn't directed at me but

Good, Great and Better

This whole OMGUS thing, I keep seeing it in different places. Essentially people think it's a wolf tell if someone responds to being called a wolf by accusing their accuser of being bad at WW right?

Because that seems like it's not a tell.

What's Great about Rokk iyo?

Actually don't answer this until Tatters gives his own answer, it's time to put him to work I don't want you answering him and him just quoting your answer and saying 'ya that's what i think'.

Nothing

I find the latter two to be quite good in their analysis. I find myself nodding at things Lawrence has said, and Rokk seems to be a player that will not spam the thread but has a good read on the game.

Shills I have less of a read on, and hence my reading up today. The thing is, missing Monday was a huge pain in the ass because I wasn't able to play the game at the same time as a lot of you and then since then I have been trying to catch up.

I can honestly say there are a huge number of posts I haven't even read yet. Maybe instead of commenting as I went yesterday I should have just read the whole thread and took notes.

Look at my forum games;

http://forum.malazanempire.com/forum/51-mafia/

That link is to the game site, you can see the number of posts in each thread. Mafia 110 had 1240 total for the whole game. Gardens of the moon, a game I modded had 812 posts total for the whole game.

That is what I am used to.

The sheer volume of this game amazes me, excites me at the same time but I am not used to it and I am adapting as well as I can.

Finally, there have got to be players you don't have a read on yet. 26 players in this game and I think I have a good read on like 5 of them.

I mainly post in work, I have not sat here reading the thread all day but I have been ready to get involved a lot more.

CDGOAT has arrived

Good reads? No absolutely not. But ask me or most of the players keeping on their opinion on any one player and they'll have something to share with you.

If we all waited to give only our good reads well then we wouldn't get very far now would we.

I'm still on Luckbox and - heresy, I know - Shills.

I realize part of my initial distrust of Luckbox came from differing usages of the word "clear", but none of his other posts since then have swayed me.

Shills was active while it was safe and then went quiet. Furthermore I didn't like how many people wanted to clear " good ol' Shills" just because he seemed nice. It felt like putting out an envoy.

I take back my thoughts in djarm but still up in the air on Gamer Dude.


It's meta but I would be curious to know how many of the people who found no time or "reason yet" to vote Guild come from forums that use majourity instead of "top wagon" and the entire phase plays out until time. They may have thought they could burn out the last bit (surely I'm not the only player from such a site). Doesn't make them high on my list but it's a possible factor.

Tatters there are 22 players in this game currently and you're 1 of them, things just got easier for you.

You have been around a lot longer than me and you are playing with players that you know. Yet I haven't seen you put your cock on the block and make a decent case.

Right now we have nailed scum. That is the best day one result you can hope for. No one expected it and therefore player interaction with Guild will yield the best fruit I think.

It wouldn't surprise me if Darth Punk turned out to be scum for example because right now he is sitting pretty in everyone's mind. Would he be the best option for today? No. Why? Because there are players out there who are more incriminated by Guild's CF and those are the ones we should be looking at.

Take Nick's list up there. I like it but it is very biased. He hasn't supplied quotes and it makes him look great. That is a good way to avoid suspicion.

I know there are some posts I've promised I'd respond to, but I'd like to do two things first: 1) Explain myself about guild, and give a short overview of what I think before rereading, 2) Take a closer look at Luckbox. I try to be brief but I find it hard to express my thoughts clearly in a brief manner.

1) From the first time I saw Guild post, I've put him in a certain category of players for which I don't have a name. He reminded me of several players with a very aggressive style. I've noticed that I often read them the wrong way (mostly scum by gut), and decided that I would not use my gut on Guild, ignore those things that would be part of his style, and look at how he is helping town instead. Without taking a close look and ignoring his style, he looked to me to be helping the town, but I was not sure enough to take a stance on him. I've put him as neutral/town most of the game, except for one post where he suddenly wants to go after lurkers and some other small things I don't remember. Because of this last part, I was willing to consider him as a lynch candidate, but only after rereading him. Unfortunately I didn't get to the point of rereading him before the cop claim.

Now, as a consequence of Guild being scum, I've noticed that most of my reads don't make sense. I apologise for that, and I'll try to make a new effort. I've had cory and CDL as scum, but it seems their interactions with Guild now prove otherwise (although I still need to see CDL play protown). I've also had Systemoverload as town at the end of the day, which was correct, and MissingPerson and shills as town, which is doubtful because of their interactions with Guild. Another of my main scumreads was Luckbox, and since I've heard some indications that he is in fact connected to Guild, I will take a closer look to see if this is true. I'll put this in another post.

Oh. And Lawrence isn't high but I would have to get off this phone and break down his posts to zero in on what's pinging me.

So is it fair to say you have

Rokk = villager
Lawrence = villager
Shills = somewhere in the middle

?

Also, if you have good reads on 5, it would be great to share those right now. I don't need novels. Just a short sentence on each would be great.

The "cdl should know better" thing was weird to me too. I havent really ever seen luckbox act like this in any role that I recall. I really just want him to explain what he is doing. My initial thoughts are that he wouldn't change his style up as a wolf in a game like this. However, guild seems like the type of guy who could have told him "hey, this is what works in champions games with these types of players" and he may have just rolled with it.

Basically, I just want luckbox to do a lot more explaining of wtf he is thinking. I dont really care if he explains his reads or not in general, but I want him to explain the funny playstyle.

they can all die, but lawrence should go first since he seems quite likely to be a wolf and not just meh to bad.

agree with this.

To the bolded, it looks like you're aware that System is dead but unaware that cory is, how is that possible?

False

Also False, well the making a decent case part is up to you guys but I tried and did my best and continue to do so

This is an excellent point that has merit and you came to it on your own. Do I agree with it? No not really at the moment but consider me impressed

Any references? Links to your thoughts?

Like take your first note there. It's about Mattchew. A player like me, who arrived late to the party. There must have been 500 posts before he said that but that is the one that you mention first. Then you give your opinion on what he said, in the mindset of a wolf. I have seen scum say anything. Look at Guild, he was calling people town and wolfy often.

That's just an example, this list is favourable to you but it doesn't really help us find scum. It doesn't highlight a person that is scummy