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#4 Game of Mafia Champions (WW Invitational) - Game Thread #4 Game of Mafia Champions (WW Invitational) - Game Thread

05-05-2014 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sjg11
Because showing a thought process allows people to read you and understand you. It also allows your reads to be criticised and developed by others and allows others to develop their reads based on your own.
well, I showed my thought process pretty elaborately on all the stuff that actually has been proven to be correct through math (ie. the vig situation) and so many people thought that it was wrong that it wasnt worth continuing on about. When a fact cant even be accepted as such why would I explain anything in depth when it is so early and only ~rand or maybe fractionally better than ran? If someone refuses to acknowledge that 5+5=10 I am not gonna explain 3d calculus to them.

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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
Do you think Wombat is mafia?
I think he could be. He certainly isn't trying to do anything but up his postcount so as not to get POEd.
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05-05-2014 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Synonym
I'm involved. What are you expecting? I've already said that I like to wait and see how phases eventuate before I commit to a plan of attack.

As it stands I think we aren't making a whole lot of progress and some of that can be attributed to people posting "we need more info from x".

Discuss something else.

The wallflower/active poster strategy discussion for one.

Personally, I think one of the people establishing themselves as an alpha in the thread is guilty. To me, Darth or cdl fit this description.

Cory seems like kind of an ass and he may be Mafia too.

As for me not contributing it's 1:30am here and the other Australians are already in bed. I'm too hype for this game to sleep but I'm going to crash out soon anyway.

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This is the most wishy-washy post in the thread.

"I don't want to commit to anything"

"I think one of the people trying to stimulate a town discourse is mafia"

"One of cdl or DP may be guilty"

"Have an IRL excuse for not doing anything even though I have been posting this whole time."

I am Aus btw. so not all of us are gone.

Anyway, this dude is scum. CDL still scummy to me.

But this guy is hella scummy.

[b]##unvote: CDL

##Vote: Synonym[\b]
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05-05-2014 , 11:32 AM
EBWOP:

##unvote: CDL

##Vote: Synonym
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05-05-2014 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Synonym
Everyone had a huge pissing contest in pre-game and it's soiled over. To be honest, this is the last I'm going to respond to this.

You can argue all you want, you explicitly referred to there being no posts of that nature. None. When I spotted you evidence to the contrary you dismiss it and call me wrong.

This isn't something you can win. You were incorrect, just man up and move on. We can disagree on the tone of the thread but you are incorrect in your belief that no posts existed.

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Wtf is that quote? Lol, I quoted Darth in case that isn't clear from the content.

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05-05-2014 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
well, I showed my thought process pretty elaborately on all the stuff that actually has been proven to be correct through math (ie. the vig situation) and so many people thought that it was wrong that it wasnt worth continuing on about. When a fact cant even be accepted as such why would I explain anything in depth when it is so early and only ~rand or maybe fractionally better than ran? If someone refuses to acknowledge that 5+5=10 I am not gonna explain 3d calculus to them.
Yes but posting your thought process allows us, as a group to move further away from reads being random to a state where our reads get more and more accurate.
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05-05-2014 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
nick and Phelampt, what do you know about each other's games? You play on the same site. What should we be looking for in terms of danger signs, how do you clear the other person, etc?

Ernie and windshipper, same questions.

If I missed another pair of people playing from the same site, pretend I asked you too, same questions.
We've played a bunch together, but, IMO, are god awful at reading each other. At the very least Im pretty bad at reading him. In general, I will never lynch him early as I think I get a better idea on him later in the game. He will pretty staunchly defend his plays even if they were 'wrong' (whatever that means), so dont take that as an alignment indicator.

Phel will probably post a bunch, and he will probably get into an argument with someone that will go down a very long tunnel and you will think hes evil for it, but the thing is, Phel just does that.

That probably wasnt helpful as you liked. On the bright side, you asking this question to me suggest you are town.
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05-05-2014 , 11:36 AM
lol
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05-05-2014 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
This is the most wishy-washy post in the thread.

"I don't want to commit to anything"

"I think one of the people trying to stimulate a town discourse is mafia"

"One of cdl or DP may be guilty"

"Have an IRL excuse for not doing anything even though I have been posting this whole time."

I am Aus btw. so not all of us are gone.

Anyway, this dude is scum. CDL still scummy to me.

But this guy is hella scummy.

[b]##unvote: CDL

##Vote: Synonym[\b]
Lol, go for it.

You're deflecting better than the shields on your death star.

Try harder next time.

Also, apparently explaining how I like to play is wishy washy.

Is your preferred strategy to make up false facts then ignore everything that contradicts tour perfect little world view? How sad.

Also, you're driving the discussion about as well as Ray Charles.

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05-05-2014 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
well, I showed my thought process pretty elaborately on all the stuff that actually has been proven to be correct through math (ie. the vig situation) and so many people thought that it was wrong that it wasnt worth continuing on about. When a fact cant even be accepted as such why would I explain anything in depth when it is so early and only ~rand or maybe fractionally better than ran? If someone refuses to acknowledge that 5+5=10 I am not gonna explain 3d calculus to them.



I think he could be. He certainly isn't trying to do anything but up his postcount so as not to get POEd.
Sigh, that is like such a limp, wishy-washy response. Like what does it take to get a genuine, real response from you on something directly related to finding mafia?

SMH.
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05-05-2014 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
Do you have a reason or post he made that makes you read him that way?

Thanks for answering BTW
The insistence that by the end of D1 "townies will know he is town" is a thing I dont see a scum saying. Of course, I dont know him, so its a rough read.
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05-05-2014 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Nickismyname
We've played a bunch together, but, IMO, are god awful at reading each other. At the very least Im pretty bad at reading him. In general, I will never lynch him early as I think I get a better idea on him later in the game. He will pretty staunchly defend his plays even if they were 'wrong' (whatever that means), so dont take that as an alignment indicator.

Phel will probably post a bunch, and he will probably get into an argument with someone that will go down a very long tunnel and you will think hes evil for it, but the thing is, Phel just does that.

That probably wasnt helpful as you liked. On the bright side, you asking this question to me suggest you are town.
noted, thanks
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05-05-2014 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Synonym
Lol, go for it.

You're deflecting better than the shields on your death star.

Try harder next time.

Also, apparently explaining how I like to play is wishy washy.

Is your preferred strategy to make up false facts then ignore everything that contradicts tour perfect little world view? How sad.

Also, you're driving the discussion about as well as Ray Charles.

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What does this post even say? you are just acting like caught scum.

Which is cool with me
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05-05-2014 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Nickismyname
The insistence that by the end of D1 "townies will know he is town" is a thing I dont see a scum saying. Of course, I dont know him, so its a rough read.
Cool. I kinda agree with you.

I have played a couple of games with him and he so far seems to be posting in line with the town games i've seen.
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05-05-2014 , 11:40 AM
Anyway, here's another wishy washy post. I'm going to bed.

For now, vote DarthPunk

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05-05-2014 , 11:41 AM
Luckbox Inc

not for the wolf seer claim, which I will assure you is normal for him

but for the 25 minutes of silence that has followed it
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05-05-2014 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Synonym
Anyway, here's another wishy washy post. I'm going to bed.

For now, vote DarthPunk

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LOLZ. This guy is soooooo scum.
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05-05-2014 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DarthPunk
What does this post even say? you are just acting like caught scum.

Which is cool with me
Ooh, more deflection. Keep it up, I'm sure no one else has noticed that you've posted nothing of substance, merely baseless accusations.

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05-05-2014 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DWetzel
Luckbox Inc

not for the wolf seer claim, which I will assure you is normal for him

but for the 25 minutes of silence that has followed it
Yeah we have people that claim mafia every game on TL also.

Seems pointless.
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05-05-2014 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Synonym
Ooh, more deflection. Keep it up, I'm sure no one else has noticed that you've posted nothing of substance, merely baseless accusations.

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Like, if they are reading the thread they will know that that isn't true at all.

I am scum hunting and trying to lynch my reads.

Which is you right now.
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05-05-2014 , 11:50 AM
[QUOTE=sjg11;43139766]Yes. But empty posters aren't actually saying anything despite having a lot of posts. If you get my meaning?

I do and we're not in disagreement here. I say both are on blast right now.

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On the site I play on, it's normally for scum to have day and night chat. From my experience as scum in that setup I can tell you that I focus a lot more on the thread than on planning with my scumbuddies simply because, during the Day, the game is won or lost in the thread so it's the priority. Having day chat shouldn't distract a good scum from the thread.
It's the same mechanics on SRK, but played differently. There's a lot of discussion on who would be a good push in the mafia conversation during the day as well as night, and how vote distribution should go for mafia, and warning people to lay off of certain things.

So it's easier to tell who is mafia and who is civ by post frequencies there.

On here, with the PM system vBulletin has, I'd say it'll be harder, because it's easier to click off of Skype and back to the thread than it is to go into a PM inbox then come back out, or keep two tabs open and hitting refresh on each.

But history in these games can't be ignored. If mafia sees a tactic works on this crowd, they'd be braindead not to try to abuse it further.
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05-05-2014 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sjg11
Yes. But empty posters aren't actually saying anything despite having a lot of posts. If you get my meaning?

I do and we're not in disagreement here. I say both are on blast right now.



It's the same mechanics on SRK, but played differently. There's a lot of discussion on who would be a good push in the mafia conversation during the day as well as night, and how vote distribution should go for mafia, and warning people to lay off of certain things.

So it's easier to tell who is mafia and who is civ by post frequencies there.

On here, with the PM system vBulletin has, I'd say it'll be harder, because it's easier to click off of Skype and back to the thread than it is to go into a PM inbox then come back out, or keep two tabs open and hitting refresh on each.

But history in these games can't be ignored. If mafia sees a tactic works on this crowd, they'd be braindead not to try to abuse it further.
Wolves use skype for communication on 2p2 and you can reply all to a pm to up to 8 people at once so it would be easy for wolves to use either.
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05-05-2014 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

Wolves use skype for communication on 2p2 and you can reply all to a pm to up to 8 people at once so it would be easy for wolves to use either.
Right, but of course the most efficient is Skype. Coordinating through PM then reaching your threshold and having to clear your inbox is more cumbersome than having an IM window open.
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05-05-2014 , 11:58 AM
Can you guys seriously stop talking about non-game related ****. It only ****s up a thread which will probably already be a pain in the arse to read.

If you don't have anything to say about the game. Don't post.
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05-05-2014 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickismyname
The insistence that by the end of D1 "townies will know he is town" is a thing I dont see a scum saying.
Nope. Guarantees are only as good as the guarantor.

Current suspect list:

CalledDownLight
corycullen

Slight suspect on:

djarm
Synonym

GET YOUR ASS IN HERE OR GET YOUR ASS LYNCHED:

Guild (All the insanity in the pre-game, and suddenly you're Helen Keller?)
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05-05-2014 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Missing Person



It's the same mechanics on SRK, but played differently. There's a lot of discussion on who would be a good push in the mafia conversation during the day as well as night, and how vote distribution should go for mafia, and warning people to lay off of certain things.
Then I'd argue the scum aren't playing well. Any scum who isn't participating to the full in the thread because they're focused on out of game communication is simply playing poorly.
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