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05-04-2013 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
No you had apathetic reads like you do this game that's why you died
This is why you get ignored by almost every person who plays with you, you know that right?

Not only is this pure fantasy, it's your excuse. It has nothing to do with anything except that you want it to be true to cover for you. That's all it is.

You know I like you but lolmets.
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05-04-2013 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gtpitch
through 600 posts I'm here-ish

villagers:
mets
VR
remedys
sun
bhuber (kinda)

well named:
well named

wolfy:
charry
legend
vixt

UAW had a villagery opening but I haven't seen any posts since so I can't really put much weight in that. His wolf game is similar rapid-fire reads without reasons though and then disappearing
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Originally Posted by remedys
pitch: thoughts on hoya and jd?
^ This is a villager-y post, finally.

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Originally Posted by gtpitch
well here's the ****ty thing

I can't read either one of them worth a ****

JD I pretty much always think is wolfy and this game isn't really any different. I'm trying to adjust to that fact and get past what I normally think is wolfy from him and I haven't really been able to figure out how to distinguish

hoya - feels slightly wolfy to me but I didn't mention him in my reads list because i'm sure someone will just assume its spite or whatever

But his engagement and drag out of the sun discussion is something i've seen him do as a wolf - nitpick at one thing and then just really hammer it home over and over. he did it to pbal when him and I wolfed together once.

that said sun isn't exactly the best target for that practice because he'll go at it for a while too

holy christ that was a lot of words to say "dunno"
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
. . . also what I did to PBAL was when he was lead wagon, as opposed to a non-wagon
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05-04-2013 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
I find it suspicious that you come into the thread and say "hi guys, i'm gonna catch up/reread and wim it up," then you make like 1 or 2 decentish posts, then disappear for about an hour and a half until very near to eod. You could have at least said "oh sorry guys my gf and i are going to dinner-- will wim later."
So, I'm wondering if you're a wolf who just forgot all about the wim comment.... which seems kinda unlikely itself.. but still
Second important villager-y post.
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05-04-2013 , 01:26 PM
REMEDYS:

Even though your method of making reads needs some work, and even though your "reads" in this game are internally incoherent and absolutely impossible to comprehend as the result of a thought process intended to isolate friends from enemies, your posts at EOD1 are decent enough that I'm soft-clearing you for your refusal to vote legend and increasing suspicion on pitch for coming back late.

Here's my suggestion: no more reads lists. Don't ever do it again. Instead, figure out who you have as your strongest villagers, and list them. Then POE from there. It's probably 1,000x better for you (for anyone) to play that way.
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05-04-2013 , 01:38 PM
I'm either way lost because of bussing or we're in great shape today.
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05-04-2013 , 01:39 PM
Hoya: Could you elaborate on what you mean by "POE from there"? (I know POE means process of elimination)
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05-04-2013 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
the conditional reads are not nonsense

we all make conditional reads. i just decided to be blatant about mine

for example, i thought jd was a wolf. i was wrong

he listed 5 villagers. i thought he would list a wolf as his 4th if he were a wolf. he listed vix 4th. i found vix wolfy on his own. so i said if jd is a wolf, vix is a wolf

i think the theory was sound


jd was not a wolf. this does not clear vix, but it means my theory was bonkers. and means my read on jd was wrong, so my read on vix has a decent chance of being wrong too.

it's how i work things out

last game we played together - i was wrong about globe most of the game right? i hammered him, tunneled him, etc. but once we got to final 7, i was thinking he might not be a wolf. once we got to final 5 i knew i was never ever voting him but didnt say it that clearly .. but you want to know why? because i wanted to be left alive and win.

when the final 3 was me tappo and globe -- even tho i had globe as a wolf all game, i immediately knew it was tappo. globe had a tough decisioin and voted me -- and i dont blame him based on how well tappo played (although the last nightkill made it obvious, but whatever).

when i am phone posting, which is what i have done 90% of this game, i cant really open notepad and keep notes like i sometimesdo on a computer. so yes, it sucks for you guys, but i use the gamethread as my notepad.
sorry I just spit out some soda
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05-04-2013 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
Hoya: Could you elaborate on what you mean by "POE from there"? (I know POE means process of elimination)
You need to find GOOD reasons to believe people are not wolves. Once you find a collection of those people, you need to carefully re-read the posts of the rest of the people.

So I mean start with a subgroup that likely contains all wolves, determine interactions from there. When you do "reads lists" of every player you end up posting ridiculous contradictions and/or things that don't fly in context. That makes people like me think you're a wolf who can't manage his fake reads / is lying about his "reads" / is refusing credit / doesn't care about agreement.

There are a couple villager who actually DO play like that, but they're terrible. You don't want to be like them.
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05-04-2013 , 01:45 PM
unvote by the way
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05-04-2013 , 01:49 PM
Do others agree with what Hoya is suggesting about how I should approach the game/approach my posting?
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05-04-2013 , 01:52 PM
They should if they don't, if you read my posts higher up you'll see what I mean about your reads lists in real time.

The one where I'm in the same group with JD and WN, and our descriptions are different, where you also have pitch as the wolfiest player at the time where I ALSO have him as the wolfiest player and have been pushing him the hardest, is completely bizarre. There's no reasonable way that list can exist if you and I agree on the most important parts of the game.
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05-04-2013 , 01:53 PM
The one where you're "surprised" that I have gtpitch at the bottom of my list is also bizarre, since I had made like eight (?) distinct posts pointing out him being wolfy and was voting him at the time. . .

Like point blank, if you have someone as the wolfiest person in the game, why is the person PUSHING your wolfiest player also wolfy?

That's obviously ridiculous, right?
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05-04-2013 , 01:55 PM
Anyway, the post where pitch is all butthurt that I "always call him a wolf" is hilarious and more-or-less lock clears me since he's right, and he always flips wolf.

You can find him being frustrated with me earlier too, I already highlighted that post.

I'm mad at myself for rustling his jimmies so thoroughly, and then letting him off the hook.
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05-04-2013 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
My list goes from v -> w. Pitch is my top wolf, then Hoya/Sun.

I'm gonna take a break from the thread now I think.
...

like how does this post happen, pitch is dead
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05-04-2013 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
YESSS!!!
Notes (I haven't read today yet -- also, this is gonna be a long post, but high content I hope):

Legend - He seemed pretty villagery with his tone and game solvey posts. Then he lead gtpitch's lynch. Very good.

VR - She seemed decent/good yesterday, a highlight being the boldness in her reads. Also, when she first posted some of her reads, they were quite different from mine. However, as the game progressed my reads started looking more like hers. I'm not sure why she wasn't around eod yesterday when she said she would be. Perhaps the snow storm killed her electricity or internet??

Check out this interaction between WN and Pitch starting at post 935:

WN: it's partly zomg you didn't post
it's partly that the posts you did make felt pretty awkward
and I'm remembering that all mod 13er where we were both wolves

Pitch: huh
this game is nothing like that game
i just got karWRECKED in that game

WN: what would you call what's happening here then?

Pitch:[x] standard
I mean in that game I was cleared by like everyone until like 30 minutes left until EOD
here i've been called a wolf since the game started which pretty much always happens cuz "ZOMG he doesn't post!"

Pitch: Originally Posted by VoraciousReader View Post [quotes VR]
"I'm not afraid of getting lynched. I am tired of playing werewolf and being told that what I do isn't good enough. Sometimes I slank and deserve some criticism. There was a game day like that in my last game. But I hate feeling like I should apologize for going to sleep or going to work. It makes werewolf feel burdensome and like an obligation. And people like bhuber that get all excited and accuse me of low participation make me REALLY not want to participate, to the point where I've left the thread before because I couldn't trust myself to be civil.
So if I get infracted, too ****ing bad. I'm going to start pushing back on plays like this because if I don't they are too damn exploitable by wolves as they simultaneously get to call me wolfy for no reason and decrease my interest in participating and clearing myself.
So this is my notice to all the wolves out there. If you are prepared to vote me for low participation, you'd better be able to back it up."
this post earned a quoting this post earned a quoting


WN doing some excellent work here, this is looking real good for him. Pitch quoting VR's long and angry post about how she hates when people call her a wolf for not posting much looks good for VR. Pitch quoted the post and was like "yeah, I'm not posting much either, so I'm villa too." It seems likely Pitch would use a villa to support him here.

Mets was high on my villa list yesterday- however, Pitch being a wolf, and the eod both look bad for Mets. Mets was the first person to defend Pitch, claiming DADV. Perhaps the wolves were worried that no one was defending Pitch, and so they started to.

At 9:00pm Hoya and then Sun vote Mets. This was suspicious in itself, as Hoya and Sun had been tunneling eachother much of yesterday. It's odd they voted the same person in the end. Mets was on Sun's wolf list (though not a prime wolf), but was in the middle of the pack according to Hoya, pre his vote. It was a bit odd how Pitch didn't vote Mets to tie the waggons. Probably he just didn't see it in time. Perhaps (but less likely) Mets is a wolfbro and so he wouldn't snap vote him last second.

I think it's quite unlikely that Hoya and Sun are w/w. If they were, why would they cfd together? I doubt they would. Both Hoya and sun were in the middle of my reads list yesterday, and I found each of them looking suspicious (and noted it) at times. This eod didn't look good for them. Also, they were tunneling each other a lot yesterday. I think they are w/v. V/v seems pretty unlikely, though not impossible.

I think Hoya is the wolf among them. Hoya, in post 1028, at 8:42pm: "so pitch really is doing his better-than-his-wolf-game thing, votes on him are becoming poor." Hoya was on Pitch before eod yesterday. At eod he switched off him and urged others to do the same.

I reread charry's d1. I think he's a v, although it pains me to say it. I've read some long games that Charry was in, and a good # of turbos (and played in a turbo w/ him). As I said in that turbo, "Charry is a crazy mofo." He reads like a wolf, but knowing Charry I think he's a v. At eod yesterday I felt like Charry hadn't been making reads, but reading back I see that he has actually been making some. Also, somehow his tone made me think v. He seems to want to help out, although he doesn't have much time for ww aorn. Hopefully he'll do some good work today.

I think Bhuber looks pretty bad after yesterday. He didn't post a whole lot of content, while trying to look like a macho villager. Then he says he's gonna wim it up but doesn't. I was thinking that if he was a villa and said he'd wim it up, and then his gf came home and wanted to eat, that he would have felt the wim and told us he was going out to eat, or perhaps even postponed going out to eat. I wonder if he just forgot about it as a wolf.

J.D. seemed like a strange NK. If I were the wolves I imagine I'd have killed a stronger and more clear villa like Legend. The fact that Legend wasn't nk'd makes me a little suspicious of Legend. I'm not sure about JD's peek.

After finding out that Pitch is a wolf, I find his reads list very interesting. In one post he posted reads on 11 players, but left out J.D. and Hoya. On level 1 you'd think that he'd leave out villas, simply forgetting to mention him. He can't forget to mention his wolf bros. However, he could have intentionally left them out hoping we'd think as I just mentioned.

I think I look pretty good from lynching Pitch, and generally contributed (or at least tried to) to the villa a lot yesterday. I felt a bit lost at eod yesterday, but luckily it turned out well.

UAW voted Pitch which is nice.

A Pitch/Hoya/Bhuber wolf team seems possible.

If I'm seer, I peeked sun v.

Reads list (I listed JD and Pitch as it seems helpful to see them on the list for me..):

Villas:
J.D.
Remedys
Legend
VR
WN

Villa lean:
UAW
Charry
Sun

Unsure:
Vix

Wolf lean:
Mets
Bhuber
Hoya/Sun (one of them, probly Hoya)
Pitch
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Originally Posted by remedys
I'd like to see some pressure on Hoya/Sun. A number of you have mentioned that you think Sun looks wolfier than Hoya, which is an idea that I'm open to. However, in the meantime I'll vote Hoya
Christ.
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05-04-2013 , 01:59 PM
Yo, did pitch tell you to bus him because he was gonna get lynched anyway?
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05-04-2013 , 02:00 PM
Votes from post 1083 to post 1391
Night in 1 day 07:00:52

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VotesLynchVoters
2 Sun Tzu Charry (23), remedys (23)
2 Charry well named (13), metsandfinsfan (72)
2 remedys Sun Tzu (43), VoraciousReader (19)
1 bhuber2010 vixticator (12)
1 unvote CPHoya (35)
3 not voting UAW710 (0), legend42 (48), bhuber2010 (16)
  
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05-04-2013 , 02:01 PM
LOL you're voting sun?
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05-04-2013 , 02:09 PM
Okay I'm on page 12 right now and I have no idea wtf is going on anymore.
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05-04-2013 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by legend42
Yeah, no. The fact that you *believe* all that might mean something, but the substance of that post belongs in a landfill.
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05-04-2013 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
If I were a wolf I would have switched to you way way way before the mets cfd almost happened
This is just a lie, there was no such thing until literally 6:00 (or 9:00 EST). No way anyone is preparing for that.
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05-04-2013 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
Day 2, apparently.

I will reiterate that I play slow games for a reason. That reason is that I work for a living. I don't think anyone had any legitimate reason to complain about my day 1 participation, and now it is day 2, and the day is ONCE AGAIN not even half over and people are rumbling about how I have not posted.

What the hell is wrong with POG?
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
I have 51 posts over 1.5 game days, and have been very clear about my reads, and attempted to vote the people that I believe to be wolves. If that is not adequate participation then I am quitting POG after this game. In the meanwhile, I'm going to try to lynch Charry.
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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
People complain about mets spamming the threads and then bitch about people who don't spam not posting. It's a lose lose.
lol at all this bull****, you're not getting pushed for not posting, you're getting pushed for being in the wrong place with your votes and otherwise not contributing to the flow of the game in terms of interacting with people

also this is your second flipout about how POG sucks and your meta isn't fair and you're busy and bla bla bla

I don't care. The merits of your posts, rather than the merits of your emotions, are what matters. Improve your posts or you probably wind up getting lynched.
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05-04-2013 , 02:20 PM
Current Reads List - Now Includes (Some) t0ne

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05-04-2013 , 02:21 PM
see what just happened is the wolves just got all nervous about their terrible night kill
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