re mets:

would it have been better if I said, "dont rand wolf"

You are correct, Ive never seen you play as wolf other than some turbo you boasted about in the last slow game

so then why would you say stop randing wolf

and do you think im a wolf? if so, why? because i almost got cfded against a wolf?

or are you just spouting out nonsense

I think I am beginning to understand what people mean when they say, "oh hes just being metsy".

And to be honest, I dont know if you're a wolf.

[x] Your reads seem to be wrong (to me; which obviously has no bearing on whether or not they are actually right).
[x] You post a lot but seem to say nothing at all (for example, all these "conditional" reads/lack of case building against any particular player other than to say "oh yeah, they're definitely acting wolfy".

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As far is your wolfiness is concerned:

[x] You've been tunneling on me all game (to which I dont take any offense actually); it just seems like a wolfy thing to do because its kind of too late to go back on your "bhuber is wolfy" read now...

Given, you could legitimately think I am wolfy and still very well be a villager, which in that case, youre just wrong.

[x] I need to go back through your posts on a standalone basis and currently have not yet done so (so I have no case against you yet; other than to bring up the whole point about pitch having the POSSIBILITY of switching to you at 2100 and getting a flip).

you also sound okay on tone, which is another reason I aint barking up your tree yet but I suppose you're more than capable of producing village t0an.

Sorry I didn't get back eod last night, but way to hold the line on gtp.

Hoya's flip-flop on him was pretty weird, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt since he was doing good work before then and the progression of his read shades villagery.

How is WN his peak there mets?

I scanned J.D. and agree well named is most likely "peek" (lists him first on villa lists twice...nothing else too peekish but I didn't click through on every post)

Who knows where gtp is at in terms of spew level? I probably should, but don't have any recollection.

re: mets

I also dont think you would have defended gpitch the way you did yesterday in post 849, 850 and one other earlier post where you specifically stated you though gpitch was villagin so that looks good for you too

Yeah, I dont really see much in resemblance of a peek other than his "light-clearing" of hoya which really doesnt read like a peak to me

He also stated in his 58th post (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59.../#post38294884) that WN was his #1 villa so I dont think its weird that WN would be on the top of his list/doesnt seem to be seerish

huber that's a fairly common way for some seers to leave peeks

lolpitch

For some reason I thought night in this game was 10pm and I got to my computer at 9:02 :P

the conditional reads are not nonsense

we all make conditional reads. i just decided to be blatant about mine

for example, i thought jd was a wolf. i was wrong

he listed 5 villagers. i thought he would list a wolf as his 4th if he were a wolf. he listed vix 4th. i found vix wolfy on his own. so i said if jd is a wolf, vix is a wolf

i think the theory was sound

jd was not a wolf. this does not clear vix, but it means my theory was bonkers. and means my read on jd was wrong, so my read on vix has a decent chance of being wrong too.

it's how i work things out

last game we played together - i was wrong about globe most of the game right? i hammered him, tunneled him, etc. but once we got to final 7, i was thinking he might not be a wolf. once we got to final 5 i knew i was never ever voting him but didnt say it that clearly .. but you want to know why? because i wanted to be left alive and win.

when the final 3 was me tappo and globe -- even tho i had globe as a wolf all game, i immediately knew it was tappo. globe had a tough decisioin and voted me -- and i dont blame him based on how well tappo played (although the last nightkill made it obvious, but whatever).

when i am phone posting, which is what i have done 90% of this game, i cant really open notepad and keep notes like i sometimesdo on a computer. so yes, it sucks for you guys, but i use the gamethread as my notepad.

hoya's flip flop was weird

legend are you leaving your next peek today or waiting a bit

bhuber

pretend you are a wolf
a - is there any chance you would kill JD if you didnt think he could be the seer? was he a village leader? was he pushing a wolf really hard?
b - assuming the answer to a is no, if you think he could be the seer, who could his peek be?

the answer is obviously wellnamed

so we call wellnamed seerhuntcleared

now

the only other reason the wolves make a kill of someone who they know isnt the seer is to clear someone and causethey have no idea who the seer is

wellnamed at this stage in his werewolf career does not expect to make endgame as a wolf - therefore killing jd is a straight up seer hunt and well named is 95% clear

last game a lot of us had a villa peek of wolf lucky which explained the nightkill of a non village leader night 1 and why the seer died night 2

the seer is still alive so we need to tread lightly, but i would bet dollars that a lot of us have a wrong seer peek

I 100% agree, I had a post typed up that I had copy+pasted into word that pretty much explained my thoughts on this but I lost it somehow.

I kind of took the other path where I acknowledged it would SHC (I also know what SHC is btw so no need to explain that one ) wellnamed, but it seemed like such a thin kill that it almost looked more FPSish to me.

That coupled with the fact that WN seemed almost tooooo spot on yesterday in terms of everything (jumping on gpitch early + I liked a lot of his reads). Perhaps thats just me seeing eye to eye with WN at the time, but it kind of creeped me out when gpitch actually flipped wolf because it almost maked it seem as if WN knew TOO much/was TOO spot on.

lol

lol at my usage of "maked" in the last post

YESSS!!!
Notes (I haven't read today yet -- also, this is gonna be a long post, but high content I hope):

Legend - He seemed pretty villagery with his tone and game solvey posts. Then he lead gtpitch's lynch. Very good.

VR - She seemed decent/good yesterday, a highlight being the boldness in her reads. Also, when she first posted some of her reads, they were quite different from mine. However, as the game progressed my reads started looking more like hers. I'm not sure why she wasn't around eod yesterday when she said she would be. Perhaps the snow storm killed her electricity or internet??

Check out this interaction between WN and Pitch starting at post 935:

WN: it's partly zomg you didn't post
it's partly that the posts you did make felt pretty awkward
and I'm remembering that all mod 13er where we were both wolves

Pitch: huh
this game is nothing like that game
i just got karWRECKED in that game

WN: what would you call what's happening here then?

Pitch:[x] standard
I mean in that game I was cleared by like everyone until like 30 minutes left until EOD
here i've been called a wolf since the game started which pretty much always happens cuz "ZOMG he doesn't post!"

Pitch: Originally Posted by VoraciousReader View Post [quotes VR]
"I'm not afraid of getting lynched. I am tired of playing werewolf and being told that what I do isn't good enough. Sometimes I slank and deserve some criticism. There was a game day like that in my last game. But I hate feeling like I should apologize for going to sleep or going to work. It makes werewolf feel burdensome and like an obligation. And people like bhuber that get all excited and accuse me of low participation make me REALLY not want to participate, to the point where I've left the thread before because I couldn't trust myself to be civil.
So if I get infracted, too ****ing bad. I'm going to start pushing back on plays like this because if I don't they are too damn exploitable by wolves as they simultaneously get to call me wolfy for no reason and decrease my interest in participating and clearing myself.
So this is my notice to all the wolves out there. If you are prepared to vote me for low participation, you'd better be able to back it up."
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WN doing some excellent work here, this is looking real good for him. Pitch quoting VR's long and angry post about how she hates when people call her a wolf for not posting much looks good for VR. Pitch quoted the post and was like "yeah, I'm not posting much either, so I'm villa too." It seems likely Pitch would use a villa to support him here.

Mets was high on my villa list yesterday- however, Pitch being a wolf, and the eod both look bad for Mets. Mets was the first person to defend Pitch, claiming DADV. Perhaps the wolves were worried that no one was defending Pitch, and so they started to.

At 9:00pm Hoya and then Sun vote Mets. This was suspicious in itself, as Hoya and Sun had been tunneling eachother much of yesterday. It's odd they voted the same person in the end. Mets was on Sun's wolf list (though not a prime wolf), but was in the middle of the pack according to Hoya, pre his vote. It was a bit odd how Pitch didn't vote Mets to tie the waggons. Probably he just didn't see it in time. Perhaps (but less likely) Mets is a wolfbro and so he wouldn't snap vote him last second.

I think it's quite unlikely that Hoya and Sun are w/w. If they were, why would they cfd together? I doubt they would. Both Hoya and sun were in the middle of my reads list yesterday, and I found each of them looking suspicious (and noted it) at times. This eod didn't look good for them. Also, they were tunneling each other a lot yesterday. I think they are w/v. V/v seems pretty unlikely, though not impossible.

I think Hoya is the wolf among them. Hoya, in post 1028, at 8:42pm: "so pitch really is doing his better-than-his-wolf-game thing, votes on him are becoming poor." Hoya was on Pitch before eod yesterday. At eod he switched off him and urged others to do the same.

I reread charry's d1. I think he's a v, although it pains me to say it. I've read some long games that Charry was in, and a good # of turbos (and played in a turbo w/ him). As I said in that turbo, "Charry is a crazy mofo." He reads like a wolf, but knowing Charry I think he's a v. At eod yesterday I felt like Charry hadn't been making reads, but reading back I see that he has actually been making some. Also, somehow his tone made me think v. He seems to want to help out, although he doesn't have much time for ww aorn. Hopefully he'll do some good work today.

I think Bhuber looks pretty bad after yesterday. He didn't post a whole lot of content, while trying to look like a macho villager. Then he says he's gonna wim it up but doesn't. I was thinking that if he was a villa and said he'd wim it up, and then his gf came home and wanted to eat, that he would have felt the wim and told us he was going out to eat, or perhaps even postponed going out to eat. I wonder if he just forgot about it as a wolf.

J.D. seemed like a strange NK. If I were the wolves I imagine I'd have killed a stronger and more clear villa like Legend. The fact that Legend wasn't nk'd makes me a little suspicious of Legend. I'm not sure about JD's peek.

After finding out that Pitch is a wolf, I find his reads list very interesting. In one post he posted reads on 11 players, but left out J.D. and Hoya. On level 1 you'd think that he'd leave out villas, simply forgetting to mention him. He can't forget to mention his wolf bros. However, he could have intentionally left them out hoping we'd think as I just mentioned.

I think I look pretty good from lynching Pitch, and generally contributed (or at least tried to) to the villa a lot yesterday. I felt a bit lost at eod yesterday, but luckily it turned out well.

UAW voted Pitch which is nice.

A Pitch/Hoya/Bhuber wolf team seems possible.

If I'm seer, I peeked sun v.

Reads list (I listed JD and Pitch as it seems helpful to see them on the list for me..):

Villas:
J.D.
Remedys
Legend
VR
WN

Villa lean:
UAW
Charry
Sun

Unsure:
Vix

Wolf lean:
Mets
Bhuber
Hoya/Sun (one of them, probly Hoya)
Pitch

ahaha holy essay

bhuber: "too right" is actually a perfectly valid wolf tell but in this case pitch was just really wolfy

this post seemed kind of spewey...Since gpitch is the lead wagon at this point, I think he kind of realized he needed to confer the appearance of putting in work. I would surmise that most of his reads during the "re-read" of the thread that he said he was doing were actually mostly correct/true reads.

I think remedy sounded good on tone + this looks good for him too. Also looks good for Hoya in the second part where it looks like gpitch is frustrated/bitter that remedy is voting him (pitch) but not hoya instead (kind of seems like pitch was subconsciously hoping that he may switch to hoya for the same reason).

now im your top wolf lean?

lol you

why do you say i am not likely a wolfbro of pitch and then list me as your top wolf

Meh, I am on there too.

Actually makes me feel about 8000 x more confident that remedys is villagin because he did about a complete 180 degree turn on me (and you, for that matter).