ladies first!

I'm starting to agree that you're the wolf, not huber. But ultimately, it's not my reads that count. It's the reads of the lock villagers. If this game actually gets to f3, the two uncleareds are voting each other and the last cleared has to make the cut.

I take back my "it would be nice to be clear" statement. Thanks for not peeking me legend!

But I'm perfectly happy to be lynched, if that's how I can best serve the village. I'm not a great wolf hunter, and I don't have any ego attached to being alive at the end. Because I actually AM a villager, so I win either way as long as we find the wolf.

If you're a villager, agree to it. You can specify that you don't want your reads to be adhered to. But you will be in the rand for first lynch.

After the Final Four all give their reads and agree to volunteer as first lynch, we will rand the first lynch based on a post number.

That's the way it's going to be. Anyone who doesn't agree to it is the wolf.

It's nice that you think I'm the wolf now that I might actually get lynched and are coming after you

but there's no actual reason behind it

Actually there is. Do you know what I felt when legend claimed? Relief. Because there are 2 live peeks and now we have a direction with a very high likelihood of success.

You, on the other hand, seem kind of dismayed.

I do not like rand()ing the first lynch. Remedys is, imo, distinctly clearer than the rest of us barring me and should not be in a rand for the lynch. I think I'd rather just be the first lynch, if I'm not clearable.

My point is, if the consensus clearest player gets hit with the lynch, that is a dreadful result.

He's not as clear as you make him, which I've elaborated on. It's villagery for you to offer to be first, but I've seen wolves do that before. I think I did it once.

The plan works, believe me. Let the clear villas lead this thing. Do you agree?

No, I don't. I think it's a bad idea, and if that means that you're going to fail in your quest to clear me that's too bad.

If the plan is for the 3 cleared players to choose the lynches, fine. I'll volunteer and vote myself at your direction. But you're going to have to explain to me slowly in words of one syllable what the advantage is of having us rand() the lynch.

If it's a matter of, who is really willing to lay down their life for the village, I am. I'll vote myself right now. But I think your plan is silly.

suspicion is not dismay. Also I'm not you, I don't really think the comparison is valid

also also just to get this out of the way: I will not be voting for myself. One villager getting lynched with his vote on himself is enough for the game :P

I think that the plan is reasonable (although perhaps not actually much more likely to result in a win) and I gave my input, and I'll keep trying to win, but I'm going to vote for whoever I think the wolf is.

And that's wellnamed's way of saying he's not in for a rand()ed lynch either. And at least one of us is a villager.

I think your original plan of clearing at least one person makes more sense.

Well Named, unless you are the seer, your "suspicion" seems really weird and a lot more like dismay. And if you are the seer, and are now voting me instead of instavoting your best wolf read who was implicated by the nightkill and has now claimed your role...

well I don't give that a very high likelihood of being true, unless you've huffed a LOT of fumes.

If you're a villager, just trust me that I know what I'm doing and agree to it.

Like if you're willing to be *first* lynched you should certainly be willing to be 25% lynched. But you won't agree to that because your strongest village read has a 25% chance to be first lynched? WTF? Do the math. I guarantee even Chips will back me up on this one.

Btw I've been thinking wn would be too smart to kill me, he actually might be too (currently) dumb to kill me. My first game back after almost 2 years was his Mechano game, where he mildly misjudged my wolf game imo (wn, we can talk about this here and it actually might help me read you).

Since then, he's read me in subsequent games like I'm a ww noob. So while I've been assuming it's wolves who are level 0/1 hunting, it could be wn leading the kill saying "legend would NEVER fps as seer". And wn *might* think Hoya could FPS as seer last night.

wn, you should be agreeing to my plan like ASAP.

My strongest village read is me. The only role I know with absolute certainty is mine. But I don't expect the rest of you to know my role. We only need to agree on one clear villager. And it seems silly to me to risk lynching our biggest consensus villager FIRST. And suppose we do lynch remedys and miss, and then lynch bhuber and miss. Then UAW is at the final 2 trying to decide between me and well named, and I'm not prepared to bet the game on him deciding to lynch well named. If he thinks remedys is more likely a villager than I am, and I agree that remedys is very likely a villager, from my point of view, it makes more sense to send remedys to the final 2 against well named, who is a devious and tricksy wolf, when he wolfs.

I've been up since 5 so I may not be articulating this well, but I can not see how a random lynch gets us closer to our goal of winning the game.

Ya I'm flip-flopping all kinds of reads...you can do that when you're

LOCK CLEAR

VR, do you agree to the deal?

[ ] check here

obviously all villagers agree...it's pretty much the best deal you can get

and you will still have all day to read/post no matter

but srsly ALL villagers should agree to this deal being that nobody in the Final Four is so supremely unclear

It's all so clear to me now. Well Named is right to be suspicious and legend is the last wolf and CPHoya was actually the seer and we're being punked. Legend wins some kind of side bet if he gets us all to agree to lynch at random.

It's like you figured out worse case scenario. Are you always that pessimistic?

Just trust me and agree to it if you're a villager. I'm a math major, I promise it will work.

Oh god VR. I'm trying to win this game for the village!

This post was meta for my wolf games btw. I really can be that cheesy.

That *is* what someone did.

Precisely. And it's either huber doing a "well he peeked me villa and legend wolf" shot or well named thinking Hoya might be doing a super FPS move. remedys not knowing what's going on is the only other thing I have.

Another reason why I want to clear VR.