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05-05-2013 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Sun vr is a wolf?
it's not impossible imo

why are you asking me?

didn't you say she was clear from her opening posts?
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05-05-2013 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
mets will find comfort in making hugely -EV plays that are obviously wrong because then he can blame me for being SO WOLFY that he decided to do something that dramatic. This is great for his wolfing, which he may be doing here.
You are acting redacted

I don't make -ev plays until people force me to
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05-05-2013 , 01:10 PM
Sun me and legend are the 3 most villagery people

Hoya having 2 of us as wolfy is awful
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05-05-2013 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Sun, I've quoted posts, my argument is obvious, Legend has no problem understanding it, and everyone else is obviously not participating because it's painful to have to talk to me and you and mets at the same time. It's supported, you're in your wolf range and your argument in response boils down to "my bad posts are villager-y because only my good posts can be wolfy," but you're not a good enough wolf to wield that one.

Meanwhile I am, and pushing me here is just lol. Maybe like a 2% chance you're right? 3 maybe? Not even joking. You're committed to a one-outer.
the fact that I'm not a good wolf and you are is exactly why I can reasonably claim to be lock clear and you can't

again, you're hurting your case more than helping it

and I'm definitely not in my wolf range and saying that while being unable to support it is lol
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05-05-2013 , 01:11 PM
hoya, are you ever going to actually respond to any of the points I've made or questions I've asked?

if my descriptions of my wolf and villager games are wrong, explain what's wrong about them
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05-05-2013 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Because I have my strongest wolf read on him and I'm going with it, and in addition he's a wagon, and I think he sponged me on remedys because I was wrong and when I realized it he conveniently didn't say anything about that, instead voting me for voting him.

Oh yeah, also legend totally peeked him wolf yo.
this is ridiculously wolfy

he keeps saying I sponged him even though that's clearly not the case

and he keeps saying I'm his strongest wolf read yet he can't present a single reason to think I'm a wolf
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05-05-2013 , 01:17 PM
I've never seen you go to bat like this, making the same empty statements about my failure sto respond instead of arguing like, I don't know, how you're a villager with some examples. You're just battling, which I respect but have also never seen you do under pressure. It's the only thing you care about.

Also I think you're by definition like 60% to flip wolf. That's probably wolfiest in the game, though UAW's posts all suck and it's more than a little miraculous that he still managed to vote pitch, so maybe give him 50/50 status.

Meanwhile we've got mets DEFENDING UAW, which is impossible unless you're playing make believe.

I've been in a situation like this before. It was against Luckay and Dean who were both wolves. The reason the game felt like a morass was it WAS a morass, because they were both willing to make it horrible. WELL on the table is you and mets just going to "work" and posting as much as you can, with every post sucking but it not mattering because no one is willing to read all of them.
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05-05-2013 , 01:17 PM
YOU ****ING DID I VOTED HIM FIRST AND YOU VOTED IN TURN ONLY ONCE HE BECAME A WAGON, ALSO I PUSHED HIM HARD AND YOU MENTIONED 3 POSTS YOU DIDN'T NECESSARILY LIKE
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05-05-2013 , 01:18 PM
I reread UAW. He made 17 posts, and only posted on page 2 and 8, with posts split about evenly between those. He hasn't posted this game day. I think he may well be a wolf. He seems to be slanking and going with easy/consensus reads. Also, everyone saying Pitch is a great wolf to be bussed and UAW voted him. WN and Legend are villa, I'm villa, so that leaves UAW. Below is all his posts:

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Originally Posted by UAW710
bhuber2010
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Originally Posted by UAW710
I love reading a villager pm for a slow game

It reads like.....

VICTORY
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Originally Posted by UAW710
villagery

wolves don't want to draw attention to themselves like this

plus last time well named claimed wolf and village lynched him he was a villager
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Originally Posted by UAW710
hi well named

you earned my first villa lean

congratulations
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Originally Posted by UAW710
wolfy

wolves look for any little reason to throw a vote on anybody and well named gives a reason for wolves to vote him

and if they were villagers they might think about why well named would do what he did and come to the conclusion he is way less likely to claim wolf as a wolf and more likely to do it as a villager

bhuber's post is wolfier because he qualifies his vote without even mentioning well named's post

liking my initial vote so far
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Originally Posted by UAW710
I'll take that into consideration.

So that leaves me with well named villagery and bhuber wolfy.

Rest of you suckas are somewhere in between those two.
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Originally Posted by UAW710
I've pretty much decided I can't read you. You always seem wolfy to me so I don't bother until it matters.
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vixticator
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Originally Posted by UAW710
you be on the wolfy side of neutral right now

your VR read is wack

but I like your bhuber read
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Originally Posted by UAW710
First of all I made my two beginning posts without reading the thread.

Looked at the player list and voted someone I have never played with before.

Then made my happy post about being a villager.

Then when I read the thread I came to the conclusion bhuber was wolfy and well named was villagery.

Reason I voted vix is because well named had just voted him and it looked like vix was slanking so I followed well named onto him to see what would happen.

So pffffft to y'all!
"Then made my happy post about being a villager" seems awkward/wolfy.
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Originally Posted by UAW710
And now that I'm caught up my reads have reversed.

bhuber now seems villagery and well named seems wolfy.
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I also think remedys and mets are villagers.
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Imma gonna stay on vix for awhile though.
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Looked through Sun's posts and did not find one I liked enough to call him a villager

But not anything to call him a wolf either
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Originally Posted by UAW710
gtpitch

Totally comfortable voting him after going through his posts

I don't believe he posted a single read and practically no content either
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Originally Posted by UAW710
The time for voting you is over, I found a better vote.

The reason at the time was I find your performance thus far underwhelming.

I'm used to villa vix spamming the thread and challenging people's reads and strongly pushing who you think the wolves are.
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Originally Posted by UAW710
I'm here to lynch wolves and smoke weed

and i am out of weed
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05-05-2013 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
sun

I mean it's just dumb, he's so far out of his village range
wat

how are people not voting this guy?

explain how I'm out of my villager range
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05-05-2013 , 01:21 PM
I like uaws toan
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05-05-2013 , 01:22 PM
Sum total of Sun's contributions over 320+ posts: wishes I was a wolf.

IMPRESSIVE WEREWOLFING, PROBABLY VILLAGING
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05-05-2013 , 01:22 PM
mets is literally trolling, by the way
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05-05-2013 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
I've never seen you go to bat like this, making the same empty statements about my failure sto respond instead of arguing like, I don't know, how you're a villager with some examples. You're just battling, which I respect but have also never seen you do under pressure. It's the only thing you care about.

Also I think you're by definition like 60% to flip wolf. That's probably wolfiest in the game, though UAW's posts all suck and it's more than a little miraculous that he still managed to vote pitch, so maybe give him 50/50 status.

Meanwhile we've got mets DEFENDING UAW, which is impossible unless you're playing make believe.

I've been in a situation like this before. It was against Luckay and Dean who were both wolves. The reason the game felt like a morass was it WAS a morass, because they were both willing to make it horrible. WELL on the table is you and mets just going to "work" and posting as much as you can, with every post sucking but it not mattering because no one is willing to read all of them.
I want people to read all of my posts and respond to as many of them as they can

why do you refuse to argue in good faith?

why can't you answer my questions in a straightforward and honest way instead of always resorting to insults, strawmanning and sarcasm?
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05-05-2013 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
mets is literally trolling, by the way
Im not

At all

I speak the truth
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05-05-2013 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
as a villager:

I'm aggressive
I'm belligerent
I vote a lot of people for different reasons
I often vote off-wagon
I push a lot of people
I ask a lot of questions
I'm reluctant to clear people lightly

as a wolf:

I bus wolves
I push few villagers
I don't do things that people can't easily see the reason for
my vote is relatively static and isn't often used for pressure, jokes, etc.
I rarely vote off-wagon

those are a few examples if the kinds of differences

they all come down to one simple principle: villagers have limited information and are trying to solve the game and figure out people's roles

wolves tell people what they want to hear

that's why it's so stupid that people call things wolfy that villagers do in the process of solving the game (getting things wrong, pushing lots of people, "inconsistency", being wishy-washy, etc.

You can look at any of my wolf games and any of my villager games and see those things

my wolf and villager games are like night and day, which is why it's so stupid that everyone insists I'm hard to read

oh hey, look I'm getting a ton of heat for things I've done due to not knowing all the roles and trying to figure them out

nothing I've done this game is wolfy

nothing I've done this game matches how play as a wolf

everything I've done this game matches how I play as a villager

this isn't rocket science

it's not a coincidence that I get more heat as a villager than as a wolf

it's because people like to clear people for blending in and telling them what they want to hear and people like to push people for trying to solve the game
hoya, you said I was lying here

what is wrong about any of it iyo?
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05-05-2013 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Sum total of Sun's contributions over 320+ posts: wishes I was a wolf.

IMPRESSIVE WEREWOLFING, PROBABLY VILLAGING
I think you're a wolf and I've given reasons why and you refuse to address them

you're calling me a wolf and all I've been able to get from you for reasons is stuff like:

- calling a lot of people wolves
- voting a lot of people
- "no good posts"
- feelings and hunches
- "something is off"
- "out of my villager range"
- nothing has taken me off your poe table

it's all just empty rhetoric

you've also accused me of lying when I'm clearly not lying about anything

you also consistently respond to my points evasively and with only insults and sarcasm

all I ask is for you to discuss in good faith

if you're a villager, I will figure it out

or you can keep doing what you're doing and get lynched
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05-05-2013 , 01:35 PM
lol at me getting lynched in this game
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05-05-2013 , 01:37 PM
Im pretty confident charry is a wolf

Im upset that vr can be a wolf

Im done responding to hoya
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05-05-2013 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
So charry you claim Buber and hoya vil peeks?
I claim them as my fake peeks, yes. who are yours?

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
what posts am I using as a defense for what?

I'm not seeing it
I'm not saying you have used them.. I'm saying it's easy to flood a thread and go back n find a post u can use for a defense.. we'll call them 'picks'. I called vix out on this like the first game I played with him

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Originally Posted by remedys
I reread UAW. He made 17 posts, and only posted on page 2 and 8, with posts split about evenly between those. He hasn't posted this game day. I think he may well be a wolf. He seems to be slanking and going with easy/consensus reads. Also, everyone saying Pitch is a great wolf to be bussed and UAW voted him. WN and Legend are villa, I'm villa, so that leaves UAW. Below is all his posts:


"Then made my happy post about being a villager" seems awkward/wolfy.
Who is UAW? I swear I don't even remember reading any of his posts or knew he was in this game.. probably a utr hidden wolf right there - the one we're looking for.

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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Im pretty confident charry is a wolf

Im upset that vr can be a wolf

Im done responding to hoya
I'm pretty confident mets is wolfin.. although I can't prove it.

I'm upset that sun could be a villager

I'm ready to respond to anyone who thinks I'm wolfin, still!
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05-05-2013 , 02:00 PM
Votes from post 1083 to post 1695
Night in 07:00:53

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VotesLynchVoters
3 Sun Tzu Sun Tzu (161), Charry (31), remedys (24)
2 UAW710 legend42 (66), CPHoya (116)
2 Charry well named (23), metsandfinsfan (108)
1 bhuber2010 vixticator (25)
1 remedys VoraciousReader (29)
2 not voting UAW710 (0), bhuber2010 (17)
  
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05-05-2013 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
sun, do tell, what are the obvious differences between your villager and wolf games that I should be aware of even though I'm completely not aware of them
hoya asks me to point out some of the differences in my wolf and villager games

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Originally Posted by VoraciousReader
The difference may be obvious to you, but some of us lesser mortals may have a more difficult time with it.
so does VR

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
as a villager:

I'm aggressive
I'm belligerent
I vote a lot of people for different reasons
I often vote off-wagon
I push a lot of people
I ask a lot of questions
I'm reluctant to clear people lightly

as a wolf:

I bus wolves
I push few villagers
I don't do things that people can't easily see the reason for
my vote is relatively static and isn't often used for pressure, jokes, etc.
I rarely vote off-wagon

those are a few examples if the kinds of differences

they all come down to one simple principle: villagers have limited information and are trying to solve the game and figure out people's roles

wolves tell people what they want to hear

that's why it's so stupid that people call things wolfy that villagers do in the process of solving the game (getting things wrong, pushing lots of people, "inconsistency", being wishy-washy, etc.

You can look at any of my wolf games and any of my villager games and see those things

my wolf and villager games are like night and day, which is why it's so stupid that everyone insists I'm hard to read

oh hey, look I'm getting a ton of heat for things I've done due to not knowing all the roles and trying to figure them out

nothing I've done this game is wolfy

nothing I've done this game matches how play as a wolf

everything I've done this game matches how I play as a villager

this isn't rocket science

it's not a coincidence that I get more heat as a villager than as a wolf

it's because people like to clear people for blending in and telling them what they want to hear and people like to push people for trying to solve the game
so I do

I give a bunch of concrete things and the reasons behind them

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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Nothing you've done this game falls remotely into the "solving the game" category, bro.

If that's true that's my bad memory.
this is circular, worthless and wrong

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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Sun isn't even speaking english, I think he's pretty obviously the best lynch, STILL no one can point to good posts, and "misdirection games" is such an obvious example of someone having no ****ing idea what they're even talking about that it hurts me
hoya continues to respond with nothing concrete or sensible

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Originally Posted by CPHoya
sun

I mean it's just dumb, he's so far out of his village range
more empty rhetoric and assertions he doesn't back up

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Originally Posted by CPHoya
He's posting a lot, that's nice. Are you reading them, though? Just read his posts. No human thinks these things.
claiming I don't believe what I'm posting

again, assertions with no support and nothing concrete to even respond to

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
hoya, can you respond to the points I made about the differences between my wolf and villager games?

do you think those descriptions are accurate or inaccurate?
he asked for it then ignores it

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Originally Posted by well named
sun's list of differences fits with the way I try to read him
WN thinks my lists look legit

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
lol

make an actual argument

if I'm out of my villager range, explain how
I call out hoya to back up the stuff he says

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Originally Posted by CPHoya
your votes are wrong, your posts are wrong, you don't actually think I'm a wolf you're just stuck, in fact you know I'm never a wolf because if you think YOU would bus pitch, lol at thinking *I* would not, etc.

it's just easy
this is what he comes back with

how are my posts wrong?

why are you claiming to read my mind?

and what is this about thinking you wouldn't bus gtpitch

I think you would and you did

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Originally Posted by CPHoya
sun I think your list is a lie, I think you know you are hard to read and that textbook bull**** like that isn't real by definition, I also think you tailored it to your ****ty performance here, the end
he calls my list a lie

yet he refuses to say what's wrong with it

and if any of it was wrong, it would be easy to disprove but he doesn't even try
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05-05-2013 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
sun I think your list is a lie, I think you know you are hard to read and that textbook bull**** like that isn't real by definition, I also think you tailored it to your ****ty performance here, the end
he claims I believe I'm hard to read

but the truth is I constantly say otherwise so that doesn't make any sense

I lie constantly as a villager, in postgames and outside of games?

what kind of **** is that?

here's a post from a game hoya was in:

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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
apparently this guy uses facts to form his opinions on things

a lot of people say I'm a good wolf but my wolf and villager games are like night and day and my wolf win % in vanilla games is in the 20s

but it's cool, everyone can just put me in their orange, yellow or "no idea" column in every game instead of reading my posts
I have tons of posts like that all over the places ad for years

it's pretty absurd to say I don't believe that I should be easy to read if people bothered to pay attention and actually understood the difference between wolfy and villagery
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05-05-2013 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
lol at me discussing anything in good faith
fyp
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05-05-2013 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
hoya, you said I was lying here

what is wrong about any of it iyo?
hoya FROZEN
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