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05-03-2013 , 07:08 PM
remedys, what's on your mind?
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05-03-2013 , 07:11 PM
Seriously.. sun votes me and continues to talk about everyone else except me.
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05-03-2013 , 07:11 PM
Sun throws me in the wolf pile every game pretty much so I'm not worried. But it doesn't help me clear him that's for sure
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05-03-2013 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
remedys, what's on your mind?
you're seeming wolfy.
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05-03-2013 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
you're seeming wolfy.
how do you figure?
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05-03-2013 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
sure, i can vote gtpitch for now (zomg woalf tell). I'm not too sure about him though, so i may change later on.
heh

this is kind of wolfy
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05-03-2013 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
since legend went ahead and mentioned the possibility of fpsing as seer, there's no reason for me not to discuss it

the post I made yesterday about an unlikely bold prediction was about that idea

some part of me was secretly hoping for him to get nigh-killed
So if I retract the peek, will you not kill me tonight? I only need one more wolf, you know.
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05-03-2013 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
villas:
Sun - posting a little more than usual it seems. solid posts
mets - people are so hard on mets.. and his posts have been ok so far.
VR - mets and some others said she seemed villagery. not so sure myself, but maybe.

wolves:
gtpitch - as i mentioned above (being nice to noobs), and low content posts
well named - i mentioned him being confusing before, and others said that was his typical style. still have a bit of a bad feeling about him, but not so sure now. posts have some content at least.
this seems sketchy

posting more than usual based on what?

what does it mean that my posts are solid?

gtpitch is wolfy for being nice to noobs?

all of these reads seem made up in that the reasons given have nothing to do with the roles given and seem arbitrary
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05-03-2013 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by legend42
So if I retract the peek, will you not kill me tonight? I only need one more wolf, you know.
if you only need 1 more wolf, then let's solve this today
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05-03-2013 , 07:26 PM
Like I mentioned in my first post of the day, I think you or Hoya is a wolf. At the start of today, I was thinking it was Hoya. However, first Legend and some others suggested you may be a wolf. Then, you came into the thread and I've found your posts quite wolfy. I don't know if you read everyone's posts before posting, but many people suggested you and Hoya looked bad/odd from last night. You came in nonchalantly and didn't even mention that for a bit. You also said "this is correct. if I was a wolf, I would definitely not kill you last night." That looks bad to me - are you being a cocky/leveling wolf here? Then I mentioned your reads yesterday being weird (which I just really took note of a minute ago), and pretty largely different from your reads today. You didn't explain why they were different.

You did post that reads lists after we started talking, which I liked a little bit, but not too much. No descriptions and a lot of consensus views.
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05-03-2013 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
remedys: how do you know sun is posting more than usual?
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
I'm not posting more than usual
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Originally Posted by remedys
I've railed a couple games of his, and I've always thought of him as someone who doesn't post a lot, and will often show up late to games.
He says he's not posting more than usual now though so what do i know..
he gets asked about it and gives a reasonable answer

a better question is probably "why would posting more than usual make me a villager lean anyway?
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05-03-2013 , 07:28 PM
Sun: Originally Posted by remedys View Post
"sure, i can vote gtpitch for now (zomg woalf tell). I'm not too sure about him though, so i may change later on."
heh

this is kind of wolfy

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I wasn't very sure of him at the time, but nobody else looked wolfier as the day went on, and gtpitch's eod appearance didn't convince me.
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05-03-2013 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
Like I mentioned in my first post of the day, I think you or Hoya is a wolf. At the start of today, I was thinking it was Hoya. However, first Legend and some others suggested you may be a wolf. Then, you came into the thread and I've found your posts quite wolfy. I don't know if you read everyone's posts before posting, but many people suggested you and Hoya looked bad/odd from last night. You came in nonchalantly and didn't even mention that for a bit. You also said "this is correct. if I was a wolf, I would definitely not kill you last night." That looks bad to me - are you being a cocky/leveling wolf here? Then I mentioned your reads yesterday being weird (which I just really took note of a minute ago), and pretty largely different from your reads today. You didn't explain why they were different.

You did post that reads lists after we started talking, which I liked a little bit, but not too much. No descriptions and a lot of consensus views.
what makes you think one of me and hoya is a wolf?

what rules out v/v or w/w?

for your reference, "I think one of x/y is a wolf but I don't know which" is the #1 wolf tell in existence

there's pretty much no reason for a villager to ever think that except in cases of competing seer claims

also, "finding my posts wolfy" isn't very helpful

you'll need to point out specific things in specific posts to have a useful discussion
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05-03-2013 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
this seems sketchy

posting more than usual based on what?
you answer this yourself in your next post

what does it mean that my posts are solid?
game solvey i assume i meant
gtpitch is wolfy for being nice to noobs?
just a small read. And I think by noobs I meant a noob: me. I was just paraphrasing the read there. I made it earlier, mentioning Tylertwo catching wolves this way.

all of these reads seem made up in that the reasons given have nothing to do with the roles given and seem arbitrary
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05-03-2013 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
So remember that part where remedys points out that mets lock cleared him, left him off his list, and then soft-cleared him (the ****?)?

Check out this read, which comes after:











wat
this is good
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05-03-2013 , 07:36 PM
Sun I agree with remedys it's very unlikely you and Hoya are w/w. If Hoya, you, and gtp all vote mets at :00 to snipe, none of you makes it out alive and you'd all know that.
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05-03-2013 , 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
what makes you think one of me and hoya is a wolf?

what rules out v/v or w/w?
did you read my opening post? I explicitly discuss both of those possiblities.
for your reference, "I think one of x/y is a wolf but I don't know which" is the #1 wolf tell in existence
ok...
there's pretty much no reason for a villager to ever think that except in cases of competing seer claims
I see people trying to say "x and y is v/v. x and y is v/w. x and y is w/w" often. I thought that's just playing WW.
also, "finding my posts wolfy" isn't very helpful
I did point out some specific things. In the future I'll look for more. I don't think you answered my questions about Hoya, or your reads yesterday, and your reads yesterday vs your reads today. Or do you not find those issues specific enough?
you'll need to point out specific things in specific posts to have a useful discussion
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05-03-2013 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
all this pressure is tough! it's easier to rail ww than it is to play . i'm gonna take a break but i'll answer your questions later (@legend and vr)
this is a wolfy reaction to being asked questions

pressure is only tough for wolves

villagers have nothing to hide
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05-03-2013 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
this is a wolfy reaction to being asked questions

pressure is only tough for wolves

villagers have nothing to hide
I've read a couple games where noob villas have gotten very stressed out by pressure and flipped out. I think it's quite common for villas and wolves to have trouble with pressure.
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05-03-2013 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by legend42
Sun I agree with remedys it's very unlikely you and Hoya are w/w. If Hoya, you, and gtp all vote mets at :00 to snipe, none of you makes it out alive and you'd all know that.
I agree with the second sentence but I don't see how you arrive at the conclusion in the first sentence

why are hoya and I unlikely to be w/w other than there being no way in hell I'm a wolf?

if you think I could be a wolf, which both you and remedys are saying, I don't see where you're coming from
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05-03-2013 , 07:47 PM
Because you both sniped mets in the last minute. There are only two other wolves besides gtp, so it would be suicide for you to both out yourselves to get one mislynch over him.
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05-03-2013 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by remedys
I've read a couple games where noob villas have gotten very stressed out by pressure and flipped out. I think it's quite common for villas and wolves to have trouble with pressure.
I don't understand

people ask questions, you give them the answers

I guess it can be stressful if you think you're going to get lynched, but why need a break?

I know different people have different reactions to things so I don't expect everyone to be like me, but when I'm a villager, I love people asking me questions and trying to figure what I'm thinking and why and what my role is

it's only unpleasant when I'm a wolf because I have to make things up
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05-03-2013 , 07:49 PM
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Because you both sniped mets in the last minute. There are only two other wolves besides gtp, so it would be suicide for you to both out yourselves to get one mislynch over him.
mets wasn't getting lynched so how do those votes tell you anything about our roles?
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05-03-2013 , 07:53 PM
If gtp sniped mets- which he would have been stupid not to if he saw the votes in time- it's a flip and mets might get lynched. Or if there was even another rando villager lurking to cap him. It just doesn't make any sense as w/w.
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05-03-2013 , 07:54 PM
That said, some things that can't possibly ever be w/w have turned out to be, usually based on a communication mistake or something. So not 100% ruling it out.
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