I just searched my posts from the last month for ""heart:"

21 posts, mostly as a villager

the idea that it's fake is nonsense


as far as what does or doesn't count as a lie, I've stated my position many times in the past

You can go ahead and say that something is only a lie if you know it's false, whereas many of the things I call lies are things that are false that have no justification. We all know that people believe things that aren't true. But stating speculation as fact is dishonest. If you want to call it something else instead of the word "lie," that's fine, but the point is it's dishonest.

Also, let me bring up another relevant, related concept. I'll call it the integrity of one's word. I don't mean integrity as a question of character. I mean the actual value of one person's word versus another's. I care very much about whether the things I say are true or not. Because of this, I'm very careful to use precise wording to reflect my certainty of something, whether I'm guessing, whether I claim to know something, etc. This permeates not only the way I play ww but everything I do irl. ON the opposite spectrum, you have people like mets, who are happy to state any random speculation as if it's a known fact and have no interest in whether something is true or not and refuse to be held accountable for any of the fabricated falsehoods that I call lies and you call not lies (but you need to come up with a better word for me to use if you want me to stop calling them lies; we all know what I'm saying)

example: that I post more or less as a wolf depending on who my partners are

this is not an observation mets has made

this is not a theory based on some kind of logic or reasoning

it's something made up that he's never bothered to verifiy or refute by looking at any of the easily available data he could look at because truth and the seeking of truth are not priorities to mets

he basically just enjoys making up **** and leaning on the "I didn't know for sure that it was false, so it's not a lie" thing that you back him up on

I'm not calling mets wolfy for this because that's how mets is and that's why he's a pain in the ass to talk to in any context in or out of ww games

but I am calling hoya wolfy for doing this because it's not something I remember seeing from him as a villager

as to that argument that something isn't a lie because you don't know for sure that it's wrong, imagine this scenario:

I have a friend whose grandmother is old and has cancer and is expected to die any day

if I call my friend up on the phone and tell him that his grandmother died, am I lying? I don't know that it's not true

maybe I even think it's probably true

does the answer change if it actually turns out to be true?

I say, yes, it's a ****ing lie, even if it's true

for it to not be a lie, you have to say "I think your grandmother may have died" or something along those lines

stating something as a fact is a claim to knowledge

if you think there's a better word than lie for that, then tell me what word to use

yeah, I'm saying that's not a reliable tell for me

if you think it is, I have close to 200 games you can reference to justify your argument

you've been in enough of them to have a good idea without even looking

tl;dr

the better word is "incorrect"

also I'm not saying hoayaids shoudl rely on his random ass speculations. You say it's factually incorrect he should go do some research

and besides I said it was dumb anyway

jesus

I think the heart post is OUT OF PLACE IN CONTEXT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU OFTEN USE s OR NOT since the post doesn't express affection or anything anyway, and since WN's post wasn't even funny or notable, it was a throwaway that didn't even require a response in the first place

also also your counter-example is ******ed re: grandma

the person is lying because they are making an assertion as if it were factual when they know that it is speculative

the context matters and things aren't so black and white.

The point is in the context of a werewolf game being wrong about something is not sufficient for it to be a lie, because "lie" implies intent which implies wolfiness, and thus it would reduce the available terminology in a way that's not very useful. Call it a lie if you think it's wolfy. Call it something else if you're just complaining that it's wrong

well that's why you were on my suspects list

add all the dishonesty and you're now square in the wolfy list

the thing I have a problem with is we have basically the same wolves, minus each other

so a plausible explanation is we're right, you're a villager, and you're less logical and intelligent than I was giving you credit for

rule # 1 again

all my posts are memorable

I'm not vix

More commentary mode

those are the things I call lies

that's exactly what I'm talking about

every time

I want to edit my post re: grandma. In the context of the example, social norms dictate that a person would never say "you're grandma is dead" just because they don't know for a fact that she isn't. It would count as a lie because it's so obvious in that context, to anyone with literally any level of social skills, that it's misleading. it's a lie because it's impossible to say it mistakenly without understanding the way you'll be received.

It's a pretty bad example

No you had apathetic reads like you do this game that's why you died

also they would never say "you're grandma is dead" because that would be terrible. They meant "your"

it was empathy for someone whose soul I recently crushed

you wouldn't understand because you have no soul and I doubt you've ever crushed one either

it's understood in werewolf that sometimes people present arguments about others being wolves as if they were certainties when in fact the only way in which they could be so is if the person is also a wolf

different context --> different expectations

ok, he's stupid and incorrect and is damaging his credibility by saying stupid things with no justification

I'm not really interested in watching sun and cphoya call each other wolves. We're not lynching either one of you today, right?

I'm kind of a stickler for labeling wild speculations as wild speculations

I don't think that's a failing on my part

I think everyone should be mindful of the strength of reads, the certainty of assertions, etc.

I didn't even present it as a certainty, which is why this particular conversation is among the most ******ed I've had in WW

mets, what the **** does "apathetic reads" even mean, define it for me, quote some posts, or shut your mouth unless you have things to say that relate, even remotely, to either (a) reality or (b) accepting responsibility for losing winnable games because it's easier to play the "being able to blame someone else" odds than try to win

from henceforth all votes for hoayaids shall be cast using [b]stupid incorrect person[/b]

Hoya im still Meh on but I won't let him get lynched today

We are letting wolfy players like legend leave this pitch lunch

If pitch is a wolf who are his partners? He'd be getting bussed here. That means veterans

It ain't me

So either pitch is a vil

Or the team is something like pitch hoya wn

I'd guess A

Which is absolutely what you did, which is absolutely what most people do, and which absolutely makes WW a coinflipping exercise in pathetic (a) effort and (b) thinking.

mets what is your actual read on pitch?

It looks like we are mislynching gtpeachfuzz today

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