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04-30-2013 , 06:04 PM
im not sure wat i was thinking when i posted that but it made sense in my head
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04-30-2013 , 06:06 PM
lol. I thought it was pretty good. WHICH ONE IS IT SCUMNAMED, DID HE BUS YOU OR WERE THE WAGONS BOTH WOLVES?

I plead the fifth!
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04-30-2013 , 06:40 PM
Damn. I was all ready to come in and blast soah for how stupid his "read" on my EOD was.

Seems kind of pointless now.

That said, I don't think I can vote soah tonight. I'm just not there yet.

Can someone give me quick case as to why WN is a villager. Just a quick outline would be fine.
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04-30-2013 , 06:42 PM
There's not really any reason to clear me at this point, just from a POE standpoint. I'm a villager just because I happen to be one and there's probably lots of reasons why I'm not a wolf, but they probably aren't going to be things you want to rely on.

That said, the best argument is going to involve looking at how it went down with mcavoy and me
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04-30-2013 , 06:45 PM
mac and bhuber both went after wn early, and I think both of them are much less likely to do so if wn is a wolf. It can't really be ruled out, but for each of them it just seems much more likely to be w/v. In Mac's case, he's generally a very level 1 wolf, and this fits his behavior that I've seen of him before where he goes after a villager who is voting him but pretends not to know about it. And I don't think bhuber is an experienced enough wolf that he would start off the game by going after one of his only partners.

Another point in wn's favor is that bhuber switched from mcavoy to wn when mcavoy was the lead wagon. If there are w/w wagons and you're the third wolf, pretty much the last thing you want to do is end up on the wrong wolf. By switching his vote there, he makes it more likely that he ends the day voting for the wolf who does not get lynched. And on top of that, he'd have to be paying no attention at all not to realize that McAvoy was playing in such a way that he had basically chance of lasting very long in this game, while wn was actually playing serious. Switching from Mac to wn there if wn is a wolf would just be baffling. It's much more plausible that he switched his vote because he wanted to lynch a villager instead of a wolf.
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04-30-2013 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
It's not fair to hold Sun to a standard of leading lynches and such
why not?
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04-30-2013 , 06:56 PM
soah, who do you think it is?

rank the uncleared by %

thanks
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04-30-2013 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Sun Tzu
why not?
because you don't do it much in general

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Originally Posted by Anarchist
soah, who do you think it is?

rank the uncleared by %

thanks
not there yet
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04-30-2013 , 06:58 PM
wn, would you agree that when Sun is doing "work" in the thread, he's more likely to be a wolf? I have that impression but it's based on limited observations.
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04-30-2013 , 06:59 PM
And by "limited" I just mean that I was railing a game where he made a big case on mets and I was like "lol Sun never does that and it makes no sense, he's a wolf"
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04-30-2013 , 06:59 PM
Votes from post 1877 to post 2085
Night in 03:00:58

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VotesLynchVoters
2 Bremen Sun Tzu (17), well named (28)
1 RoundGuy derm (8)
1 soah LeonardoDicaprio (53)
1 Anarchist outdrawed (5)
1 well named Anarchist (26)
1 no lynch Bremen (17)
2 not voting RoundGuy (2), soah (42)
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04-30-2013 , 07:00 PM
though to be fair, it was the content that actually gave him away
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04-30-2013 , 07:00 PM
I don't think so. the last time I saw wolf-sun was in the game I modded, mechano-mash, and I don't think he did a lot of work. I read sun almost entirely based on tone stuff with the way he talks to people and the kinds of things he focuses on and how he reacts to people

I guess you might call his wolf game more "work" related in that he makes way more boring reads and has much less personality and just seems a little more awkward. Or at least that is how I remember it
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04-30-2013 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
wn, would you agree that when Sun is doing "work" in the thread, he's more likely to be a wolf? I have that impression but it's based on limited observations.
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04-30-2013 , 07:01 PM
yeah, sun doing some big MQ on someone out of the blue with a bunch of reasons laid out for the person being a wolf would be unusual for his village game

his village game he'd just vote the person all day and either pre-emptively or post-emptively (that's a word now) complain about how him voting for that wolf makes it more likely that they won't get lynched :P
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04-30-2013 , 07:02 PM
Ok. If I eliminate WN for tonight, I have Bremen and outdrawed. I am not giving outdrawed SHC status, so he's definitely in the mix.

He's also been a complete dick to me, but I don't really give a **** about that. I do it all the time.

Bremen or outdrawed for me at the moment.
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04-30-2013 , 07:04 PM
I have decided that the wolf is bremen
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04-30-2013 , 07:07 PM
lol this is gonna be good

i envision an f3 that includes roundguy
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04-30-2013 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Anarchist
lol this is gonna be good

i envision an f3 that includes roundguy
If it does, you guys suck at finding wolves.
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04-30-2013 , 07:09 PM
I suppose the seerhunt thing should actually be addressed. It seems pretty farfetched that the wolves would use two separate NKs to clear the same player. outdrawed isn't a noob and he would realize that giving the seer another peek last night has the chance to lock the game (either by mechanical lock or by peeking him directly). I mean, you could construct a scenario in which the n1 kill was simply botched and the n3 kill was a desperation kill because he thought that getting further cleared was his only shot at winning. But it just seems a lot easier to believe that hardcore died because his death spewed no information and the wolves still had a fighting chance if he did flip seer.
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04-30-2013 , 07:10 PM
Wait, what were hardcore's peeks?
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04-30-2013 , 07:13 PM
outdrawed and bhuber
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04-30-2013 , 07:15 PM
Bremen has had plenty of wolfy moments in this game and I don't think he was spewed by anything 100% reliable. I'm gonna go over all of that again.
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04-30-2013 , 07:21 PM
Interesting. An unexpected Mac loss on n1 would definitely send a bhuber/bremen wolfteam into a complete tailspin.

Might explain a few things.

Both those guys are new to 2+2 ww, but have ww experience elsewhere, correct?
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04-30-2013 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
yeah, sun doing some big MQ on someone out of the blue with a bunch of reasons laid out for the person being a wolf would be unusual for his village game

his village game he'd just vote the person all day and either pre-emptively or post-emptively (that's a word now) complain about how him voting for that wolf makes it more likely that they won't get lynched :P
multiquoting = doing work?

I don't think so

multiquoting is just clicking buttons
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