i already stated that i thought LKJ's sudden change of heart to be noteworthy.

Like I'm somewhat with you on soah, though not to the same level of confidence. In any case if huber is a good counterwagon then he's a far more optimal lynch from a risk/reward standpoint.

the risk of leaving wolf soah alive is much greater though. I lost an easy 13er against him after lynching wolves d1/d2 and him being extremely sketchy all game/having a bunch of villagers saying he was probably a wolf because of how much he can influence the village. dude is scary good.

in any way he doesn't mash so well with bhuber as w/w, so although I agree he is a solid counterwagon mostly for being too shady/wolfy in his own merits, I think mac is still better mostly for a single thing he said that I think should be weighted in as really really wolfy in comparison to bhuber, and he makes a lot of sense w/w with soah. I know conditioning on d1 is bad so take it fwiw, I can't really avoid thinking of it in those terms :P

in any way soah/mac are wolfier than bhuber IMO, although bhuber is a very good wagon here (in comparison to RG/derm for instance...)

i'm not with you guys on soah at all. he's my strongest villa lean.

what is villagery about him?

ew

his villageriness

are you caught up yet?

Meh. Soah's been lynched in his last four wolf games according to the DB. He's a good wolf but he can be had. If he's a villager then we're making a kill for the wolves that we know they want to do themselves ASAP. I don't agree that it's generally a viable risk to take to lynch him d1 if there are safer alternatives. Basically, like with spending your wolf kill on a bad villager on n1 in a seer hunt, you'd better be right or your action was a disaster. This is an even graver risk you'd be talking about though too, because we know categorically that there are at least two wolves that aren't soah, which differs from the seer hunt analogy.

ok, all caughted up. didn't realllllly read the last two pages, more of a skim. don't lynch derm as he's a villager. (actually a peek).

lkj is sliding down my wolf scale. soah and sun are my two top villas. RG is a distant 3rd.

bhuber and hardcore are my top two wolves. hardcore saying bhuber is a decent counterwagon but soah should go first just makes me queasy. plus the whole sponging of a bad read (yeah, totally 180ing it here. don't care), and since I think soah is a lock villa, i'm going to take his side in the fight.

very slight villa lean on anarchist. I dunno about well-named, but I guess I'll say he's my #3 wolf read, but that's about as thin as it gets. absolutely zero read on mac and bremer.

I do have a read on leo. But I'm not going to say what it is because i'm tired of him punking me every game. I'll just wait til he flips and then I'll tell you guys if I was right or not. (Spoiler alert: I will be)

yeah bhuber and soah are not w/w at all

to elaborate on this, it's not just that soah voted/pushed bhuber, but there are some thin stuff about their interaction that makes them a bad w/w combination IMO. when bhuber entered the thread and got pushed by soah, he mostly ignored the push, made a silly comment and moved on. when he was voted by soah he shrugged the vote again and went to speak with leo. he also put soah on the top of his villa pile, which is just too bold for a w/w interaction.

nobody else needs to read into this cause I know you all hate it, but I like it so I'll keep doing it :P. I expect bhuber to react differently to soah pushing him as w/w and mostly just try to force the interaction between the two. shrugging it off and giving the biggest villa lean is nothing I've ever seen from a w/w interaction before, so I don't expect it to be one.

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Votes	Lynch	Voters
4	derm	Bremen (6), well named (38), LeonardoDicaprio (115), McAvoy (13)
3	McAvoy	soah (46), Sun Tzu (28), Anarchist (13)
2	bhuber2010	outdrawed (18), LKJ (81)
1	well named	bhuber2010 (25)
1	soah	hardcoreUFO (94)
1	hardcoreUFO	RoundGuy (25)
1	unvote	derm (49)

bhuber is probably a villager

:O

obviously

Bremen earns my first villa lean.

wow someone actually pays attention to my meta.

But now I feel like lkj has TMI and knows I'm a villager and was protecting me there but I feel like he is fabricating a case here on UFO. Except I can never read UFO and I don't remember any of the thread tbh.

Outdrawed gets my second villa lean with this post.

bremen

What is the case on him?

UFO,

Were you a wolf or villa in that game where you made those voice analysis? I got distracted and didn't keep following that game.

re-read the thread, doing something new here, but here are my leans w/ peeko:

outdrawed
LKJ
WN
bhuber


first tier


leo
derm


2nd tier

annie
sun tzu

roundguy



mcavoy
soah
bremen

soah/bremen maybe not w/w but both are wolfy on re-read.

villa

wrt bhuber, he made a wolfy post, people piled on him. on re-read he feels very genuine.