both of the ones i used in lion king were based on work that i had done in previous games.

i did the work on LKJ in another game on request from someone else, and did the work on you later in the game when you were under a lot of pressure.

you could certainly see how that would seem odd to me though, being a villager and all.

i wasnt under any real pressure.

didnt seem odd to me last game.

you were under pressure, it was in the uncle dolan game and you ended up getting lynched that day.

i meant that you should understand why it would be a little strange to me that you are having a hard time clearing me in this game, because i think i am pretty decent at getting clear as a villager, and you have had no problem figuring it out right away in the past.

im quite sure it wasnt the uncle dolan game since you were one of the only people defending me in there. i meant the lion king/aladdin game.
and the underlined part is again exactly why i think there is something wrong with you. usually i could nearly instantly tell that youre a villager.
here, not so much.

seriously? pretty damn sure leo is villa

i'm saying the research that i did in aladdin/lion king was just an elaboration of the same case i made to prove you were a villager in uncle dolan....

meh, i did some research and at least i found some difference between your wolf/villa games.
but its not 100% so im not quite sure where to place your play in here but i will be keeping my eyes on you. i just cant shake the feeling that something is off.

Guess ill wait till I wake up for derms read of me.

Nite thread.

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Night in 18:00:58
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
3	McAvoy	Sun Tzu (28), Anarchist (13), well named (33)
2	derm	LeonardoDicaprio (114), McAvoy (9)
2	hardcoreUFO	soah (34), RoundGuy (25)
1	soah	hardcoreUFO (64)
1	well named	bhuber2010 (25)
1	bhuber2010	LKJ (69)
1	unvote	derm (39)
2	not voting	Bremen (0), outdrawed (0)

(quoted post was reasons for calling me a villager, which he added his support to)

The evolution of his read on me doesn't seem to make sense, in that I start off as a villager and then do more villagery things yet don't earn a spot on his village list. And it can't just be fear of making a strong read on me, since he has wn up high on his list despite wn having not even done anything.

soah i see what you did there but he explained it later, ie he said that he was just pointing out what he saw and acknowledged it was thin.
then comes the back and forth between the 2 of you and after that he calls you wolfy.

tbh his progression does make sense to me.

No, that was a response to a different line of questioning. Adding another village lean on top of an existing one should strengthen the overall read, regardless of how thin it is. Having me below leo, who he seems to only barely have as a villager at all, makes no sense given his posts about me.

No


It's all about the motives.

I tried to read this page but I couldn't because God told me wn is a wolf.

ok i think i see what you mean now but im not sure its neccessarily wolfy.
i mean he doesnt qualify his read on you and gives you your own paragraph.
logically it wouldve made sense to put you in his villa pile but he mightve just wanted to talk a little more about you because there seems to be some sort of history. also he does call you villagery.

Derm,

In a lineup like this, guess who Inwould peek


Ps keep in mind I was half asleep at the time

that's because with you all I had was a couple of very thin arguments, one of them being completely conditional (pushing bhuber) the other one being a very thin meta read (not being super serious early on) that combined were not stronger than my read on the players I put above you. that shouldn't be too difficult to follow at all, but let me just talk a little bit more about my leo read, since you're assuming I have 'only barely as a villager at all':

this is my first comment to leo IIRC. he starts with a wolf lean on me, retracts, and then retracts his own retraction. this is textbook villagery for p1/p2 leans. it displays a suspicious/intrigued mindset, with leans that are constantly changing. it displays a thinking process similar to what someone that doesn't know roles would. do you recognise the difference? with you, all I had was a thin conditional read and a 'feel' of how you normally approach wolfing. with leo I had actual villagery thought processes.

I then got more skeptical of leo because I started to disagree with everything he was saying, but he also had other villagery moments, including 'calling everyone a wolf', when you on the other hand didn't have much going for. it's interesting that in your brain werewolf works like this:

"Adding another village lean on top of an existing one should strengthen the overall read, regardless of how thin it is."

when it's supposed to work like this:

"Not every lean/read/thought process has the same value. As reads evolve, thin early stuff will appear even thinner as the player collects more reasonable reads. The strength of an overrall read is only relative to the strength of other reads."

I think that's obvious for everyone who played more than a single WW game. and it goes back to you trying to raise suspicion on every word I write, when in reality everything you're saying here is not only incredibly thin and doesn't in any way, shape or form suggests wolfiness, but it's also all over the place and shows how your mindset at this point is to just raise every issue you can find until something sticks. the more you post about me, the wolfier you look, because you're blatantly trying to paint an image of what I'm writing here that simply doesn't exist. the irrelevant meta stuff, the 'circular argument', comparing my lean on you to bhuber's lean on you, saying my progression is senseless when every semi-competent reader would understand my mindset. it's all very forced and it only looks like working on the game. what you're doing here is working on a lynch. it may actually work, and I praise your effort, but it makes it clearer to me that you're in fact very very likely to be a wolf.

He was explicit about the others being his strongest village reads.

I'm glad I'm finding a hard time trying to sleep cause I got a bit sick today, since everytime I leave this thread soah appears with new arguments to call me wolfy for. and I wanna advice the village on a thing and I know everybody hates advices but I think it's important:

if soah starts to make arguments ITT that sound convincing to you wrt my role, please go back and read all his previous arguments about me and what I had to say. he has absolutely nothing going for him here and is trying to make me more suspicious/weird/nonsensical than I am in this thread. he is manipulating information to fit his argument. don't fall for that. I'm kinda bad at EOD's, and I might not even be here for it, so please don't forget these earlier interactions. I don't wanna get mislynched when I'm trying hard not to. heh.

for those that don't want to read hardcore's essay, he's trying to imply that when he said that I "sound like a villager" and then agreed with someone else reading me as villagery, he actually meant that he had a read on me that was so thin as to be nearly meaningless, and then he's trying to parlay that into an attack on me

yeah when I made a p2 read while skimming the thread and then agreed with LKJ's read on you that you're not as serious as your wolf self on page 1, that was actually very thin. IDK what kind of ******ed existence would assume otherwise.

nice way to bail from continuing the argument AGAIN though lol

tbh i have no idea.